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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:21 PM
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Lou Dobbs, Mr. ANTI-corporatocracy, is passionately attacking Eliot Spitzer.
Governor Spitzer has a history of taking down predatory corporacrats. He focused his entire career on consumer rights/protection and anti-trust prosecution. As Attorney General, he vigorously pursued "white-collar" crimes against Enron, Duetsche Bank and Morgan Stanley, DICK GRASSO (remember him?), insurance and securities companies and so on!!!

SPITZER HAS PROVEN HIMSELF THE FRIEND OF "THE PEOPLE" AND A WARRIOR AGAINST CORPORATE ABUSE.

Yet, Lou Dobbs, "Mr. ANTI-corporatocracy", is engaging in the most inflamed character assault on Spitzer equal to none than any FOX hypocrite.

Why?

Why. :grr:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:23 PM
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1. Because Spitzer wants to give undocumented workers driver's licenses.
And Dobbs hates ANYTHING that treats undocumented workers as human.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:06 PM
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10. Correct. Moreover, he is actually interested in PROTECTING people.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 09:08 PM by sicksicksick_N_tired
Dobbs ACTS like he wants to protect the middle class. He is a liar. The only "class" he protects is his own by latching onto a faux issue the corporacrats utilize to divert the American people from severe abuses of, BOTH, the immigrants AND the American people by corporacrats.

Dobbs is another conflict-generating whore for the empire. IT'S A LIVING, LOU!!!

I think it is time to point out all those who MAKE A KILLING LIVING by attacking those who pursued a life protecting people from predatory corporate assholes.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:28 PM
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2. You people perplex me big time... Whats the problem with what Lou Dobbs says?...
First of all he tells it like it is.. Illegal Aliens is the accurate term and I for one do not want to be issuing Drivers licenses to people that do not belong in this country... Geez am I the only one besides Dobbs that gets this (Oh and of course Spitzer)... Talk about eroding your country... Your doing that by justifying Illegal Aliens IMO...
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:30 PM
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3. "You people"
:wtf:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:36 PM
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4. If you don't see 1) that Spitzer's is much the better policy
for public safety and 2) that Lou Dobbs is CNN's best bigot, well, maybe you should watching Dobbs instead of praising him on progressive discussion forums.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:40 PM
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5. Yeah Ok, I will be sure and keep that in mind.. Have a nice nite.. n/t
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:42 PM
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6. Oh and by the way your #1 point is a pile of crap... n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:45 PM
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7. No, it's not. When you have a whole class of people operating
outside of the law, everybody is put in danger.

And, as for Dobbs, the claims he has made about undocumented workers such as that they are dirty, disease ridden criminals are the stuff of xenophobic dreams at very best and bear no relation to fact.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 08:51 PM
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8. Well Gee do you think the Feds should maybe get there shit together and get...
a handle on both the companies that are hiring these Illegals and maybe our border that is so open I can't even describe what could get thru it.... Lets uphold the damn laws on the books instead of our screwed up Law Makers, making more laws...
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:21 PM
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12. So,...who should be BASHED? Those abusing the illegals or the illegals?
Moreover, what would be most practicable in terms of BOTH security AND immigration: (1) BushCo's "amnesty" with immunity to corporations; (2) WALLS along all borders (and the billions that will NEVER be appropriated for that, ever); (3) greater federal enforcement of immigration laws (will NEVER HAPPEN, except selectively e.g. Mexicans, under BUSHCO'S regime); (4) requiring licensure by any person in a state (as if THAT is spectacularly weird considering even American citizens are required to do that).

If you have a better way, a more supreme solution,...please offer it.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:31 PM
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14. You actually missed (IMHO) the most important group that should be taken to task...
The Companies/Individuals that hire the Illegals are the ones that should be held accountable for probably 99 % of this problem... This is not just a GWB doing, (God knows he has his own problems for sure) this goes back a very long time and probably is only really coming to light because of the money that GWB is spending (Blowing) on the Iraq war and the outsourcing of jobs...
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:26 PM
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13. No relation to facts you've chosen to ignore
Read up on how many diseases are making a comeback near the border, due to the influx of illegals. Read up on how many hardcore gangbangers and drug dealers are coming here illegally, at the urging of "charming" folks like the Mexican mafia. It's easy for you to sit here, dismissing what Dobbs is saying, without doing a lick of research on your own (as I have).

Has it ever occurred to you to wonder why we're suddenly hearing about all this meat tainted with E.coli? Well, just as China's slovenly practices are causing merchandise to be hazardous to our health, illegal aliens are bringing their south-of-the-border sanitation practices to our meat packing plants. I know meat packers who have quit places like Monfort, because they just can't stand the filth anymore.

If wanting our borders secured against gangs who use beheading as a calling card (MS13), and people who will do substandard labor (after all, you get what you pay for) is "xenophobic" in your mind, you need to crack open a dictionary.

Think about it...when you're on the same page as the MINORITY of Americans, the Mexican mafia, AND Republicans who want to exploit people as slave labor, even as they screw Americans out of jobs...you're on the wrong side of the issue.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:32 PM
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15. You do know Dobbs was full of shit on the "Mexicans are bringing leprosy back" right?
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 09:50 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:02 AM
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20. Lou, is that you?
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silverojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:09 PM
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11. No, you're far from the only one
In poll after poll, Americans keep saying they're sick of illegal aliens (and yes, that's the legal term--not "undocumented worker", "immigrant", or any of the other candy-coating BS terms). Our economy is so bad, and our GOVERNMENT is so bad, that millions of our own citizens can't get health care, yet we're supposed to extend it to citizens of another country in our hospitals and clinics.

Crime is going through the roof, and previously-conquered diseases are making a comeback because nobody's screening the people who come here. Remember Ellis Island, where our forebears were screened for diseases and the like? Our country would've been a mess if people, regardless of health or criminal background, could have just flooded in here.

And I'm tired of people using "racism" as an excuse for allowing illegal activity to run rampant. If white Canadians were causing this much trouble, I'd be against them too.

I disagree with Lou Dobbs on a lot of issues, but not this one. Wait till parts of YOUR city are taken over by illegal criminals, to the point where you can't drive those streets anymore without fearing for your life. It's bad enough that we have so many neighborhoods like that already, without making more of them by allowing people (like the "charming" folks of MS13, etc.) to enter illegally.

It's no surprise that the people who support illegal aliens the most are those who deal with them the least. (And no, hiring day laborers for a few hours because you're too lazy to mow your own lawn doesn't count.)
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:36 PM
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17. I live in Chicago. We have a massive number of immigrants here.
Edited on Mon Nov-05-07 09:40 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
And you know what? As a group they behave pretty much the same as any group of Americans.

Also I believe you are incorrect in that immigrants as a whole have lower crime rates than native born people.

http://www.ailf.org/ipc/factchecks/CrimeFactCheck10-16-07.pdf
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:51 PM
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18. "If white Canadians were causing this much trouble, I'd be against them too." Excuse me?
How the hell do you know they aren't? Where's your proof these "illegal aliens" from MEXICO have brought diseases here? And where's your proof Canadians haven't. Please post links from reputable sources...not Free Republic.

I don't know where you live, but "illegal aliens" are not the only people committing crimes in our neighborhoods. We have plenty of crimes committed from U.S. citizens.

This is the kind of shit Lou Dobbs is stirring up and it's pure hogwash.

I'll be waiting for your links.
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cuke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 10:01 PM
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19. You are full of crap
You just got called on the "Mexicans are bringin diseases" and you just go on and on, like a racist Energizer bunny with no brain.

The term is not "illegal" which is why you cant explain why murderers aren't also considered "illegals"

Crime is not going through the roof, diseases are not making a comeback, and the truth is, you're just a fearful coward who can't deal with the truth.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:01 PM
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9. This is a case where they are both right. The Problem
is this Immigration Problem has been festering for years and
the average American perceives that he is paying taxes, working
hard while fearing losing his job. Perception can become reality
in Politics. Fairly or unfairly, the average Joe and Jane
have seen their schools overflow and their children getting
shortchanged in education because of overcrowding. He takes
his kid to Emergency Room, an accident at Little Leaue. The
line in the Emergency Room is winding out the door it is so
long. His perception:Illegal Immigrants are taking up all
the space and his kid cannot get care. His taxes are footing
the bill. Crime is rising---fairly or unfairly, Immigrants get
the blame. The list is a mile long.

Congress has waited until we are in Crisis Mode as usual and
the Anger and Frustration so thick you can cut it with a Knife.

Joe and Jane Sixpack feel they have been shafted by Nafta
and the Immigration issue only adds fuel to their fury.

Neither party has addressed the plight of Joe and Jane SixPack.
The GOP exploits it but they do not come up a good solution
They will use this issue against Democrats. At the Present
the Democrats fairly or unfairly are seen as only wanting
to protect the Illegal Immigrants.

This is why Lou Dobbs is right. He is going after both parties
for not responsibly solving this problem. Shorthand The Dems
want the Illegal Immigrants to vote (this is the image) and
the GOP want the Corporates to have cheap labor.

Spitzer's idea of safe driving is valid. However, by not marking
the Illegal Immigrant's license in some way to indicate he cannot
vote and signifying that his status is not legal--this only confirms
in the public's mind that the Dems want Illegals to vote.

It seems to me that someone could get a handle on this fury.
We concede to a fence and get the damn thing built yesterday.
This will show them we are concerned about our borders and
are willing to do something about it.

This needs much more discussion, stopping here.

I hope this helps someone to see our party has a real problem
on this issue.


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Sam Ervin jret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-05-07 09:36 PM
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16. But Lou is a one note Phony Pony who's only association with the working class is when
he parks his car at the equestrian club in Conn.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:33 AM
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21. Oh, my. Never truer words have been spoken!
:rofl:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:34 AM
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22. lou, the one-trick pony needs his meds adjusted.
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