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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:04 AM
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Lavish Televangelist Lifestyles Raise Eyebrows At Senate Finance Committee
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Lavish_lifestyles_of_televangelists_raise_eyebrows_1106.html

Lavish televangelist lifestyles raise eyebrows at Senate Finance Committee
Jason Rhyne
Published: Tuesday November 6, 2007

The reportedly extravagant lifestyles of six television evangelists are raising some eyebrows at the Senate Finance Committee, which wants to know if the popular preachers are paying their fair share in taxes.

Sen. Charles Grassley, the committee's ranking Republican, has written letters to the evangelists, asking that they "disclose their assets, spending practices, compensation plans and business arrangements," according the Wall Street Journal's Suzanne Sataline. "The letters aren't formal subpoenas, and the six aren't required to reply."

Although religious organizations themselves are not required to pay federal taxes, any for-profit ventures a church may engage in are not similarly exempt.

"Mr. Grassley said his investigation was prompted by complaints from watchdog groups and others that the ministers live in multimillion-dollar homes, travel on private jets and engage in profit-making ventures from their ministries," reports the Journal, adding that the senator said he would withhold judgment until he got "the story from the ministries."

Evangelists receiving letters from Grassley were Kenneth Copeland, Creflo Dollar, Benny Hinn, Eddie Long, Joyce Meyer and Paula White. Spokespersons for Dollar, Hinn and Meyer all denied any wrongdoing in statements to CBS News.

CBS also reports that Sen. Grassley's letters were prompted in part by Ole Anthony, an investigator with the Trinity Foundation, a religious watchdog group that probes potential fraud among religious groups.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:07 AM
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1. Hey they are "christians" - they are living their lives exactly the way Jesus would
And they've all denied any wrongdoing, so that should put an end to this blatant attempt to smear the stellar and spotless careers of those who tell their flock whom to vote for from the pulpit, while they are in a tax exempt status. Praise the Lord and fuck the separation nonsense.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:07 AM
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2. What!!
None for ol' "Squint?"
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:08 AM
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3. "Give all that you have to the poor and follow me"
was the admonition to anyone who wanted to follow Jesus and preach his gospel to the world.

Any televangelist or helmet headed megachurch preacher who lives like a sultan needs to lose his tax exempt status. He is running a business. He is not doing the work Jesus set out for him.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:09 AM
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4. This could turn ..... interesting
But only if pursued. I suspect the effort will halt at the edge of the rabbit hole.
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Ishoutandscream2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:10 AM
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5. No wonder I'm a born again agnostic
and George W Bush subconsciously promotes this.
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Blaze Diem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:16 AM
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6. Sounds like some tithings are due.
Doing the work of the Lord.
bout time someone calls b.s.
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:16 AM
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7. Aw heck, what's wrong with a poor ol' country preacher having his own 747?



Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2129151

Praise gawd. And keep them tithes coming in.

:eyes: :eyes:




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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:17 AM
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8. In the seminary they taught us how to adjust our income
The salary was not expected to cover other expenses; as pastors we would expect to get separate payments for a mortgage, car payments and anything else that could be "broken out".

It's not really cheating, but it makes it appear that the pastor is "only" getting so much money. If you add up all the benefits, though, it can be a rather handsome amount.

"Dr." Adrian Rodgers of Bellevue Baptist Church in Memphis received a six-figure salary when I attended there in the early 80's. And that was just the salary.

Many struggling lay people would be absolutely astonished at the money a mildly successful preacher can garner.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:17 AM
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9. What else are they going to do w that faith based initiative $, help the poor?
:eyes:
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:21 AM
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10. Creflo Dollar
*snarf* That can't possibly be his real name....
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:41 AM
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12. Yup.


Creflo A. Dollar



Peace:thumbsup:
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sharp_stick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:35 AM
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11. These "people" make me sick
One of them (Ernest fucking Angely, I think) almost sent a friends Grandmother to the poorhouse. She was so afraid of getting old and going to hell that she sent that prick everything he asked for and it was always more and more.

I would love to teach him the value of money by showing him, up close, a sock full of quarters over and over and over again. I would never really do that but man it would feel good.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:42 AM
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13. The Senate is JUST STARTING to look into this???
:deepdisappointedsigh:
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:53 AM
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14. Just curious, can you go to those churches without paying them?
I don't know too much about this protestant stuff but I tend to not trust anyone who gets rich off of it.

I know the Catholic church is pretty rich too, but anyone is welcome to attend any Catholic church anywhere in the world for as long as you want without giving them even one penny. While some Catholic clergy live lavish, sinful, hypocritical lives, there are many others who live simple honest lives and don't have sex with anyone let alone molest children.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:53 AM
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15. Channeling Thomas Jefferson
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 11:56 AM by Jacobin
"Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man."

"History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose. " – Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." –Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.

"Christianity...(has become) the most perverted system that ever shone on man. ...Rogueries, absurdities and untruths were perpetrated upon the teachings of Jesus by a large band of dupes and importers led by Paul, the first great corrupter of the teaching of Jesus."

"The Christian god can easily be pictured as virtually the same god as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites."

"The clergy converted the simple teachings of Jesus into an engine for enslaving mankind and adulterated by artificial constructions into a contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves...these clergy, in fact, constitute the real Anti-Christ."

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors." –Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

"Religions are all alike – founded upon fables and mythologies."

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."




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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 11:58 AM
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16. And, Chuckie, they engage in political lobbying and endorsements
while doing this. How about revoking the tax exempt status of such places.
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jakefrep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:01 PM
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17. I'm guessing Grassley's going to have opposition in the next primary
If he pursues this further.
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SaintLouisBlues Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:44 PM
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18. The Post-Dispatch has a huge expose on this Joyce Meyer creep
from a few years ago.

http://www.stltoday.com/joycemeyer

I counted 16 different articles at this link. Here's a snip from one:

"Stylish sports cars and a plane

Meyer drives the ministry’s 2002 Lexus SC sports car with a retractable top, valued at $53,000. Her son Dan, 25, drives the ministry’s 2001 Lexus sedan, with a value of $46,000. Meyer’s husband drives his Mercedes-Benz S55 AMG sedan.

The Meyers keep the ministry’s Canadair CL-600 Challenger jet, which Joyce Meyer says is worth $10 million, at Spirit of St. Louis Airport in Chesterfield. The ministry employs two full-time pilots to fly the Meyers to conferences around the world."

and

"The family compound

Meyer’s house, the largest of the five, is a 10,000-square-foot Cape Cod style estate home with a guest house and a garage that can be independently heated and cooled and can hold up to eight cars. The three-acre property has a large fountain, a gazebo, a private putting green, a pool and a poolhouse where the ministry recently added a $10,000 bathroom.

The ministry pays for utilities, maintenance and landscaping costs at all five homes. It also pays for renovations. The Meyers ordered major rehab work at the ministry’s expense right after the ministry bought three of the homes.For example, the ministry bought one home, leveled it and then built a new home on the site to the specifications of Meyer’s daughter Sandra and her husband, county records show.

Even the property taxes, $15, 629 this year, are paid by the ministry."
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