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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:09 PM
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Suffocation torture--is that a better term?
It boggles my mind that there is even any question that the practice is torture, but I think the terminoology is one reason many can't grasp that it is. I posted a thread regarding the use of the term "waterboarding" a few days ago and have considered the responses. I like the term "suffocation torture."

Anyone who has ever been unwillingly deprived of air* will no how utterly terrifying it is. There are many, many people who can identify--those with respiratory ailments are just the beginning.

"Waterboarding" just doesn't cut it. As DUer malaise mentioned in my other thread, it evokes surfing--and I believe the RRW exploits that.

What do you all think?

*In my case, my sister's crazy ex-boyfriend once tried to strangle me

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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:11 PM
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1. They used to call it "Chinese Water Torture." Imagine that!
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 PM
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3. Not the same as Chinese water torture which was restraining a person and then
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 PM by OregonBlue
dripping water onto their face for days on end. Of course, they may be using that too given the thugs running this country.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:53 PM
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13. I thought that was just in cartoons, a move to censor and bowdlerize the cruelty
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 12:53 PM by librechik
and the real torture was more like what we do (inducing suffocation)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 PM
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4. Yeah, I thought about that. Funny how the new terminology just creeps in and
takes over, isn't it?

We need to start being aware of it and fighting it much earlier.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:13 PM
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2. Why don't we just call it "Bushing?"
After all, he's overturned 500 years of precedent. He wants his legacy...I think this should be it, just like Dr. Joseph-Ignace Guillotin has his legacy.

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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:15 PM
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5. Liquid suffocation?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:25 PM
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10. I don't think the allusion to liquid is necessary, really.
But it's far, far better than the popular term, I agree.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:16 PM
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6. Damn, what seems to be the problem with simply calling it
what it is TORTURE. Falling for the semantics game is doing the work for the bush cabal, imo. Changing the debate from facts to descriptors and "definitions" is exactly what they want.

Simply say waterboarding IS TORTURE, torture being the KEY word not waterboarding.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:24 PM
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8. I've already considered that point but listen to the masses--torture has
lost its shock value, I'm afraid.

Again--using the allusion to suffocation restores the shock value. If you've ever experienced suffocation (and many have, even mildly), you never rid yourself of the fear of it.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:37 PM
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12. I disagree, an allusion to suffocation merely adds to the confusion
as you then have to "define" the degree of suffocation, etc. Torture has not lost it's shock value,imo, it is understood by the least-interested member of the public.

There is a simple statement that needs to be repeated over and over and it is this:

Torture is illegal and the US is using torture.

Anything else is semantics, imo, that take away from the simple fact as stated above.
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Sabriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:21 PM
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7. "Near-death experience" is more cheery, I find
It almost makes you want to try it yourself, just to see what it's like!
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:25 PM
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9. I heard a guy on NPR today - "Drowning" is pretty much what it is... n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:34 PM
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11. nashville_brook suggested "mock execution" n/t
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 12:59 PM
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14. Repeat Drowning (aka Torture), it's not "simulated" by any means
Read or listen to Malcom Nance, the Navy SEALs go-to guy on this. He corrects people over and over - it's not "simulated drowning", it's REAL drowning. They drown the victim, then resuscitate him - over and over again.

Unfuckingbelievable that we are even having this discussion, isn't it?
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