Congress doesn't need to prohibit torture, gang.

blondeatlast

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Tue Nov-06-07 12:54 PM
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Congress doesn't need to prohibit torture, gang.

It's already illegal by at the very least the Eighth amendment to the US Constitution and the Geneca Convention, neither of which Commander Bnnypants can flout. That's why, as KO pointed out yesterday, Bunnypants can do the frog march...

And the idea smacks to me of a RW talking point (witness Pat Buchanan's hissy when Dan Abrams called him on it yesterday).

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fasttense

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Tue Nov-06-07 12:57 PM
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1. Well, of course it is. Common sense tells you water-boarding is torture.

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 12:57 PM by fasttense

But the bushes have made us all torturers now and Mukasey is our torture Czar.

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LakeSamish706

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Tue Nov-06-07 12:57 PM
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2. So basically what I hear you saying is it is like our Immigration laws...

None of these laws are being enforced...

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endarkenment

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:00 PM
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3. "neither of which Commander Bnnypants can flout"

yes he can. The regime has ignored both since 2001.

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blondeatlast

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:13 PM
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5. True. I should have added "legally" to the phrase. nt

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Hydra

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:01 PM
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4. Legality is not debatable

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 01:02 PM by Hydra

The problem with Legality is that it requires a stronger force than the person breaking the law to enforce it...and now that we have a king in the WH, expect nothing to be done by the system.

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Justitia

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:16 PM
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6. Amen. This is a RW tactic. Do we need to pass laws about every FORM of torture? It's been torture

(meaning waterboarding) for over 500 years. Why do we have to define it down now?
Then what? Will they just alter it slightly, re-package it, so it's not "torture"?

This is a ridiculous, absurd, bullshit, evasive RW tactic.

What's next? Water is legislated as "wet"?

If you can debate somehow that waterboarding is NOT torture, then let's submit your fucking mother to the treatment - mmmkay?

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blondeatlast

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:22 PM
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7. Can you give a little help on this thread?

The OP couldn't be bothered to respond to mine, for some reason. Thanks!

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Justitia

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:23 PM
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8. Sure. -eom

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 01:30 PM by Justitia

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suffragette

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Tue Nov-06-07 01:31 PM
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9. Thanks for saying it like it is

And I agree with you about it being a RW talking point.

1) They are trying to turn it into an issue of semantics rather than of ethics and law

2) If they get any traction on this, which I strongly hope won't happen, they get to limit what is defined as torture. And there's no doubt that they would find creative ways to torture which would not yet be defined as such.

Every time I think I can't get any more disgusted and dismayed, something like this comes along and well, here I go again.

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