Let's clear one thing up: the repukes voting not to table, do NOT support impeachment

cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:49 PM
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Let's clear one thing up: the repukes voting not to table, do NOT support impeachment

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 03:54 PM by cali

They want a full debate on it, and they think it would be politically advantageous to have a vote on impeachment. This is NOT about the repukes in the House believing Cheney should be impeached.

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madokie

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:49 PM
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1. well I was getting my hopes up

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benld74

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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CORRECT!

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KingFlorez

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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2. Good post, some people here to don't seem to understand that

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RiverStone

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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22. seems like a political chess game...

Tell me, how could this move by the pukes backfire?

Maybe they underestimate how the public really does want Shooter impeached!

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slackmaster

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:18 PM
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72. Not chess

Dodge ball.

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Ken Burch

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:18 PM
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70. Of c'mon king, you can't say it's a good thing that the motion is losing!

n/t.

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thoughtanarchist

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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3. Is this vote still open or what?

Is there a final tally?

Feed the cube rats please!

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KingFlorez

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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6. The vote is still open

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cally

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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17. Members are switching their votes

At one point, it looked light it would be tabled easily. Then Repubs started switching to not table it. Now some Dems appear to be switching to not table.

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thoughtanarchist

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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24. what's the count?

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cally

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:58 PM
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42. Right now it's 170 Yeah and 242 Nay

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rucky

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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4. Then we all want a debate on it.

we're just taking different bets on how it will play out in the public.

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cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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18. right,

It's just a lot of folks posting seem to think there's been some miraculous change of heart among the repukes. There hasn't been.

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spanone

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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5. not fooled. i want a full debate on it too.

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onehandle

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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7. Yep. nt

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countingbluecars

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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8. It's still good.

Get the lies out in the open.

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slackmaster

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:50 PM
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9. Yes. I wonder exactly who on the GOP side made the call.

Any ideas?

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shireen

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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Majority leader Boehner, and Randi thinks he's drunk

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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slackmaster

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:58 PM
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43. Is he the voice that keeps laughing out loud on C-SPAN?

:argh:

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shireen

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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10. as Brent Budowski just said on Randi's show, " they're outsmarting themselves"

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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libnnc

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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11. Good. Let's debate.

Sunlight kills mold.

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SeattleGirl

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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19. Exactly!

Let's debate it, baby!

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gateley

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:58 PM
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44. OT - Is that you with Jennifer Saunders? Or wait - is it Dawn French? It's so TEENY! nt

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 04:00 PM by gateley

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libnnc

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:00 PM
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47. Nope. That's her comedy partner, the loverly Dawn French

I wish I was sandwiched betwix them. :silly:

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quiet.american

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:13 PM
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63. Love her "Vicar of Dibley". What a rarity -- a truly funny sitcom, episode after episode. n/t

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Fredda Weinberg

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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12. A debate on Darth Vader? Just the thing when Comedy Central writers

are on strike.

Sorry, but the real world is more interesting right now. Has anyone else noticed Pakistan dissolving?

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Hobarticus

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:53 PM
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29. Plays right into their fucking hands, doesn't it?

Now Dubya doesn't have to do shit....like he planned to, anyway.

We just got pwned.

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Fredda Weinberg

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:03 PM
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53. My brother is the lawyer in the family and is not amused

But it will do no harm. There should have been articles regarding civil rights violations ...

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Hobarticus

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:06 PM
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55. What's his take? Details, please! eom

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Fredda Weinberg

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:09 PM
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58. Quote, 'It's a long way after surviving a table to motion ...'

He doesn't have to finish sentences. In other words, this will go away - and he couldn't share my amusement.

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Hobarticus

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:13 PM
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61. I hate it when smart people don't finish their sentences

It's never a good sign.

We live in interesting times, no?

:hi:

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Fredda Weinberg

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:14 PM
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65. I love my brother ... he's the best son our mother could raise

And he says, "The Internet could be our salvation." That's what I see in Pakistan today, so yes, interesting and hopeful times.

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Hobarticus

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:16 PM
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66. What a wonderful thing to say.

Your brother's one lucky sibling.

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gateley

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:57 PM
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41. Here's a link for you if you're interested - (Pakistan)

Biden statement on a Pakistan plan. Whether or not you're a supporter, it is informative of what's going on and what needs to be done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3690683

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Fredda Weinberg

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:03 PM
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50. I've been monitoring the feeds ... it's fascinating

but the House vote is a hoot.

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gateley

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:20 PM
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74. I may have misunderstood your post - or I may be misunderstanding your

response! :7

Anyway, I thought you were kind of pointing out that while we're on this House tear, Pakistan is Burning (so to speak). So I just wanted to give you some info on Biden's take if you wanted.

That's the problem with on-line communication - misinterpretation.

I'm RIVETED to what's going on in the House. It's surreal! I NEVER EVER considered that it could transpire as it had!

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ProSense

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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13. A debate is a coup! n/t

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bunny planet

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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14. of course not, but I think they've miscalculated because a debate about

the criminal behavior of Dick Cheney is not something they should be wishing for. The man has a 9% approval rating, the American people want this debate and they are for impeachment so............. foolish move on the arrogant Republicans part.

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pinto

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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15. Interesting maneuvers.

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Mojorabbit

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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16. I don't care

why they are voting on it just so they do.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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20. Good. Let's see them debate.

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Yael

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:51 PM
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21. This is exactly what I have been saying on several threads. Thanks

This is not a good thing. They want the thing on the floor because they know Pelosi & Co won't have the votes. This way is is out, over, and done with.

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Amonester

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:01 PM
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48. But wouldn't they have done that (out, over, and done with)...

if they'd voted to Table it??

Or, maybe they're certain none of their paid shills will report anything about the debate itself... yeaw, that must be it... because, if just a peep about the dick-traitor's horrendous crimes "manages" to cruise to the corrupt M$M's outlets, the 9% tyrrant doesn't stand a chance... (or, rather: THEY won't stand a chance if they vote not to impeach his war criminal a**).
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Yael

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:03 PM
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49. Someone could correct me on this, but I believe

that tabling it allows it to come back up at a later date where taking it to the floor can defeat it in total, requiring it to need to be represented.

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LynneSin

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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23. Thank you for the post Cali!

Many of these people remembered what happened with the Clinton impeachment and how the repukes lost big in 1998 (we didn't gain control but we can awfully close with some major pickups)

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WCGreen

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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25. I agree with you on the surface...

Bt we have to see what kind of district the Repubs who voted not to table come from...

It could have been just to show that they had stood up to Bush...

I'll bet if real push came to real shove, they would have voted to table...

IT also could have been a ploy to address DK's main issue in order to nuetralize him and get him out of the race...

All sorts of things go into these votes...

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Basileus Basileon

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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26. Well, yeah. They just saw that

the vote to impeach would fail; the Dems by themselves couldn't even save it from being tabled. So now they've decided they can use it to humiliate the Dems yet again.

Thanks, DK.

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JohnnyBoots

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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27. True, but now more of a chance for the press to pick it up. n/t

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Skidmore

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:52 PM
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28. I'm okay with that. I want the Dems to step up and do what is

right by the nation. It's time for them to shit or get off the pot.

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LSparkle

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:53 PM
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30. But they haven't even wanted to DISCUSS stuff before, so this is progress

I fail to see the downside for us in at least discussing impeachment of that POS ... he has a 9% approval rating!

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harun

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:19 PM
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73. I think it is because the Dem's position is so good and the

Rep's so bad that it is hard to see how it could do anything but help the Rep's.

I think it is worth it not on grounds of political gain but on the grounds it will help to restore our image in the world. It will show we take care of problems ourselves and don't just let war criminals go unpunished.

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benld74

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:53 PM
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31. Just as in life, the GOP knows how to use the existing rules to its advantage

even though its advantage is not what is best for the country but what is best for the GOP overall.

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rateyes

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:54 PM
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32. Isn't it amazing that

the REPUBLICANS are the ones who want to debate what should never have been tabled in the first place?

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Phillycat

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:54 PM
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33. But don't we want a full debate on it too?

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 03:56 PM by janesez

I mean, who cares why THEY'RE doing it, they are completely out of touch with the American electorate. This can only be advantageous for us, right?

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Marrah_G

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:31 PM
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79. It won't mean anything really

The public never pays attention to the debate. Only the outcome.

Unless the MSM is all over it the general public rarely hears anything about it.

Ask some random person tonight or tomorrow and they will probably respond " Who is Dennis Kucinich?" while giving you a confused look.

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Enrique

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:54 PM
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34. don't tell me people don't know this

please don't tell me that people thought otherwise. :scared:

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cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:55 PM
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37. it appears so. n/t

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Gman

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:55 PM
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35. Absolutely not

they want to be able to use this against incumbent Dems next year. In general I think it would be a plus for a Dem, but in close districts it could be a bad thing.

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Ken Burch

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:21 PM
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76. How can it be used against us when the country is overwhelmingly anti-Dub?

C'mon, these days there IS no such animal as a person who'd vote Dem for Congress but still like Bush.

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Fresh_Start

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:55 PM
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36. Its a high stakes game of chicken

tell me, can the pukes that voted "YES", then changed their votes to "NO", change their votes back to "YES" again? Is this really something thats going to play down to the wire?

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cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:56 PM
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38. yes, and I think, yes. n/t

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Fresh_Start

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:57 PM
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39. next time, they need to schedule the vote right before lunch

so people vote and leave

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bunny planet

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:57 PM
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40. Watch the Repubs start the debate asking Dennis about the UFO he saw.

That must be what they are calculating.

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slackmaster

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:58 PM
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45. There in no doubt they intend to try to embarrass DK and the Dems in general

Let them try.

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bunny planet

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:03 PM
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52. It's gonna backfire on them bigtime.

That's my prediction and I'm sticking to it.

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IronLionZion

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Tue Nov-06-07 03:59 PM
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46. once again, some DUers are siding with the repukes against the Democrats

and throwing the usual attacks on the Dems. I support impeachment too, but this bill is going to end up badly for us. The Repukes are already declaring victory. They want to defeat this bill and throw it in our faces.

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Amonester

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:04 PM
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54. Ooooo....We're sooooooooooo scared.... soooooo scared.

Let's cry a river.

(And The Home Of The Brave) is dead...

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IronLionZion

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:07 PM
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56. What's brave about pushing this bill just to see it defeated?

:shrug:

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Amonester

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:13 PM
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62. What's brave about not even trying to do what is right for the country?

Or about not trying to be faithful to an oath of office at least for once? :shrug:

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IronLionZion

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:16 PM
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67. There are many more substantial bills that we actually need

whereas the impeachment resolution even if it stood a chance of passing, is just symbolic. Cheney will remain in office doing what he does best.

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Ken Burch

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:23 PM
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78. Our leaders haven't got ANY susbtantial bills passed.

And it looks like they're going to cave on S-CHIP and not pass anything Dub wouldn't sign, so does passing legislation even MATTER, especially if we only end passing Republican legislation?

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IronLionZion

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Tue Nov-06-07 05:07 PM
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80. ...

First 100 hours
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/washington/100HOURS_GRAPHIC.html
http://www.speaker.gov/legislation?id=0003

Passed legislation
http://www.speaker.gov/legislation/

Senate
http://democrats.senate.gov/agenda/

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H2O Man

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:03 PM
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51. I'm not sure

that you speak for all republicans. There are many who may be casting votes for the wrong reasons. But others may be serious about their oath of office.

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Enrique

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:12 PM
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59. do you think any of those republicans will vote for Kucinich's resolution?

if the resolution gets a vote, do you expect a single one of those republicans who voted not to table it to vote in favor of it?

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cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:12 PM
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60. Having watched this crew for a while, I'm pretty damn sure

I doubt there are more than I can count on one hand who are serious about it.

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jpgray

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:18 PM
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71. Which ones?

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spanone

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:08 PM
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57. with chenee at 9%, i say 'bring it on'

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cali

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:13 PM
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64. As long as it's not limited to an hour's debate.

you can't present a case in an hour.

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spanone

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:17 PM
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69. i agree with that.

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Ken Burch

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:17 PM
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68. Why SHOULDN'T we have a full debate?

It would HELP our party for their to be a full debate, with all the facts about what this administration has been doing being brought out.

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SeattleGirl

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:22 PM
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77. Exactly.

I'm so tired for the Dem's saying, "Well, we don't have enough votes, so we don't even want to bring it up." Fuck that bullshit! I want them to debate it. I want the facts told.

You know, I can see the Pukes defending Bush (though I don't agree with it), but Cheney??? Are ya fuckin' kidding me?

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AntiFascist

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Tue Nov-06-07 04:21 PM
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75. Getting the issues out in the open, even if for only a 1 hour debate...

is certainly worth the effort. I could care less what the GOP objectives are, and how they feel this may play out politically. This is our Constitution and the reputation of our nation which are at stake. Too many stupid, short-sighted Democrats only care about the short-term political consequences. Please don't be one of them.

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dweller

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:00 PM
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81. i hope they enjoy the convolutions in explaining it

to their constituents.

can you imagine it?
dp

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NoodleyAppendage

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:02 PM
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82. So. Debating about a guy with an 11% approval rating is GOOD FOR US.

Repukes are miscalculating on this one. Americans are PISSED about the war and want to hold someone accountable. Talk of impeaching Cheney will not be met with a backlash...you watch.

J

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