HOLY FUCK IT WORKED!!!! HE'S GONNA BE INVESTIGATED!!!

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:patriot:

:rofl:

Say bye Dickie!

The vote to impeach will fail. There will be nice Democratic speeches about how Cheney is a bad man, and nice Republican speeches about how the Democrats are wasting taxpayer's time and money on playing politics instead of solving problems. Then they'll have a vote, and impeachment will fail, because the Dems will decide that failing now is less embarrassing than failing in the Senate.

Then the Republicans will crow about the Democratic defeat.

Edit: Ah, good. The Democrats have moved it back into committee, where it can die a quiet, peaceful death. Very, very minor win for the Dems today, then.

what's really at stake here. Dick isn't going anywhere. We will look like fools.

nt

I'm pretty sure Pelosi and Hoyer knew the votes to impeach were not there. They just didn't keep Dennis's cage locked tightly enough.

because my Dem party is cheering Dennis on

laughing at the Dem "leadership"

That poster reminds me of an open sewer. I gotta get away from the computer, the stench is so pungent.

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This isn't the place to mock them.

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Are you really advocating that the Dems keep their members silenced and walking in lock step? :scared:

If Kucinich is a considered a laughingstock, then the current Dem leadership will be derided in the future as a bunch of Neville Chamberlains, a bunch of cowards in the face of an authoritarian who trampled the Constitution.

Dennis Kucinich has already come out on the good side of history. The laughing stocks are those who appease.

:toast:

...because these two useless twits have kept the issue "off the table" and made certain that never is heard a discouraging word about their GOP masters.

He may well have embarrassed the DLC wing of the party, and those reactionary blue dogs, but so what? Appeasing them has resulted in the national embarrassment that this congress has become -- and resulting in its lofty 11 percent approval rating.

He's grandstanding, all right, if you call telling the truth grandstanding. But he's been forced to raise the issue because the party "leadership," if you can call it that without crumbling to the floor in gales of rib-shattering laughter, has steadfastly refused to do its job. Dennis is essentially acting as the Terminex man; trying to rid the country of a dangerous hive of insect pests who specialize in demolishing the infrastructure plank by plank.

Dennis' cage is a construction of the DLC and is ably maintained by BushCo's unofficial pom-pom wavers in mass media, along with their connections to wingnut think tanks for supporting commentary that, somehow, always manages to support the official story and the status quo and laughs at, marginalizes and attacks anything "unconventional."

So at least you're in good company.


wp

Time to separate the wheat from the chaff.

is how they look to their corporate paymasters and lobbyists. They could care less what the general public thinks, or what the world may think of the US.

The one that's in the real world.

The one where a majority of the public supports the impeachment of Cheney?

a well-documented, well-researched, airtight, cut-and-dried case before you even THINK about bringing this to the floor. If the leadership and many other Dems thought they had this, then there wouldn't be this little "drama" today, and the Repubs wouldn't have made their maneuver to force a debate.

It is more documented than any crimes in history. The emperor wears no clothes, and the Democrats will not listen to those telling them it is right out there in the open for all of the fucking world to see.

and HIS party distancing himself.

Oh never mind, those who support the Constittution are lefty loonies....

while they hip-hop to a 2008 win in the elections. Its all about the dems taking the house, senate and white house. they don't want to do anything that will piss anyone off and while they are doing that, they are pissing EVERYONE off. Dennis is the voice of those of us, millions and millions and millions of us of all party affiliations that want the Old Republic and the rule of law back as we save ourselves from extinction at the hands of knaves and fools and criminals. Thank you, Dennis, for speaking out loud what I dream about every night. You are a good, good man.

The "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors" stuff is where impeachment is obligatory -- past that, they can apparently impeach someone for putting their socks on before their shoes, if they're so inclined and can get the votes. (Whether such a charge would hold up in the Senate, of course, is always another matter.)

With that in mind, impeaching DICK because he's a snarling, sorry sack of shit is as good a reason as any. Hell, impeach him because he has unlawful carnal knowledge of cute puppies, too. (I'd like to see his defense team defend that one with a straight face! :evilgrin: )

Ref: http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/impeach1.htm

nt

Not just a fool, but a conspirator! If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem!! If you sit by and watch illegal acts and do not condemn them, you are condoning them!

n/t

the repugs think. What matters is that the Dems have done something. Not all of them but enough to matter. I am going to celebrate this because heading right toward the negative is exactly what we don't want them to do.

And I think that is why I am so in love with Denis Kuchinich today. The guy has brass ones and I admire that.

or are you more interested in not looking like a fool --- ??????

on the floor of the US House.

I mean big fucking deal, the headline that will be reported will be "house vote to impeach Cheney fails" and that's it. There are 50 million things in the record and nobody cares.

This isn't small, it's a gigantic move, really. Just because it's not in the CM doesn't mean it doesn't have weight; indeed, it most likely carries a lot of weight because CM is ignoring it.

FAILING to bring impeachment of a war criminal on the table, while Republicans crow about something different.

Cheney's below 15% approval. You think they'll rally around him? I hope they do.

"Dems not bringing forward articles of impeachment"
and
"The Democratic-controlled house voted not to impeach Cheney."

Doesn't matter anyway; it got sent back to committee.

as individually supporting the most hated man in American politics.

Won't look good when running for re-election that you are on record for being pro-Cheney, and support your party over the interests of the country.

Oh wait, it isn't.

or does it just admit the defeat that one feels the democrats must have because they lack the strength and ability to present facts in a cohesive manner?

What is even funnier is your inability to see past a "win" or "loss".

When the GOP impeached Clinton and failed to get a conviction it was a huge win for the democrats... not because Clinton beat the impeachment, but, because the VAST majority of people, after hearing all of the facts, thought that the concept of impeaching a president for not being entirely honest about a sexual affair was idiotic.

"Failing" in the senate isn't a loss. It forces "republicans" to sign onto the set of facts.

However, what is sad is you are probably right. The democratic congress lacks the courage of their convinctions and will not likely be able to present facts in a cohesive manner.

--and the Democrats don't--because its inevitable failure will be a huge victory for Democrats.

(Please don't use so many periods. I'm scared of them, remember?)

The democrats are scared of confrontation and lack the ability to defend their position when challenged. Sound familiar?

They are often unable to see the big picture, which is why they have lost so many elections and even now have record disapproval ratings for their inaction in congress.

What you force through an impeachment movement is a full airing of the FACTS and you FORCE the republicans to sign onto those facts, thereby attaching the republican party to those actions... unless you are suggesting that Dick has done nothing illegal???


Right now the GOP President has a <30% approval rating, but the republican candidates get more than 45% support in polling. This is because people are not automatically associating all things republican to this president. The way you can accomplish this connection is by forcing republicans to work as a group to vote to save a vice president who has obviously committed illegal acts.

Gotta love when people start from the defeatist position and cower in their corners. It has worked so well for the past 15 years, so why not just keep it up.

You've given me no "analysis" more insightful than that of a 10th-grader in a Che shirt.

There wouldn't be Republicans "working as a group to save him." Here's what would happen:

1. Republicans say, "This is a huge waste of everyone's time, and we're going to vote against it for that reason."
2. There's a vote. Impeachment fails.
3. Nobody associates the Republicans with Cheney's crimes. They just go, "oh, well, Dems are weak, can't get anything done. Can't even get time-wasting bullshit done."

The Republicans saw this. That's why they wanted to force a vote. The Democratic leadership saw this. That's why they wanted to avoid a vote.

Defeatism? Cowering? To paraphrase Barack Obama, I'm not against all political fights. I'm against dumb political fights.

Just the usual weak attempt to attack the messenger.

And of course you also add your complete misunderstanding of the political and legal process.

When you can provide some actual facts, insight or anything even the least bit based in reality, feel free to try again. Unlike some cowards, I don't place people on ignore even when they prove to be less than well armed to debate.

1. You have offered no analysis yet again. Claiming you have does not make it so.
2. Your abuse of the words "fact," "analysis," and "reality" make them cry. For future reference, those do not in actuality mean "things pulled out of Milo_Bloom's ass."

(Edit: You get kinda whiny around me. This the first time anyone's ever called you on your JV sophistry?)

1. Read above to see analysis to which you have yet to refute, but instead lie about.

2. Throw more poo to deflect from your inability to actually refute what was stated.

Keep on keeping on, it does provide amusement for those who pay attention.

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

See ya. You're getting closer to actual discussion, though; this time you actually got through half an argument before you dropped into your usual game. Pity you couldn't bring yourself to argue my rebuttal. Perhaps next time you'll get through two or even three replies before you don the tinfoil and start rambling about how "you fear my truth!"

Just keep with attempts at personal attacks. They will make everyone forget that you forgot to offer any analysis or that you didn't understand the political or legal procedures.

If the leadership continues in its spineless way. Oops - oh well.

Look, the research has already been done. Cheney and Bush both have multiple impeachable and criminal offenses. Go after them, for heaven's sake. Just what is it that's more important? Or that they are more afraid of?

they go away.

If you get down on your knees and cower before them in your pink tutu, they will continue to make you their jailhouse punk.

We lost the House and Senate because of pink tutu Dems.

If we want to keep Congress, and win the WH, we have to expose the republicans for what they are - shallow, corrupt, ignorant schoolyard bullies with no direction and absolutely no talent or ability for governing.

he would have voted no and Congress should be working on more important things - what the Hell is more important than trying to stop World War III? What the Hell is more important than removing the corrupted scum that now runs this country? Nothing is more important than those 2 things.

you're not shitting me are you?! :wow:

so that means it will either be investigated or it will be killed there.

:rofl::rofl:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:HE00333:@@@C

Where it will die a lonely death. What did we gain? When it's available, all the Democratic cowards that voted to table the motion. THAT'S the list I want to see.

Call Conyers' office every fucking day.

Great news!

My understanding is that DK's resolution is being referred back to the Judiciary COmmittee. Has some assurance been given that the Committee will take any action?

It's back in committee probably tucked away at the bottom of the pile never to be heard from again.

probably twisting Conyers arm as we type, as if it needed twisting to let it die in committee.

but the Dems are well on their way to proving it is entirely probable that they will blow another election.

"We'll never make it, we're doomed." Fuck that. I applaud Dennis Kucinich for having the guts to do what needs to be done. If no one else has the guts, then they can rot in hell. You can't play safe here, there is way too much at stake. And with all due respect, no one here knows how the American public would respond. Those arguing it would backfire are talking out their ass. It could just as easily bring the kind of relief that holding someone accountable, finally, tends to foster.

As for Republicans, sure, look at their motivations. But they're not infallible. They can't predict everything either. In spite of dirty tricks, theft, a propaganda network, a network of think tanks, the bully pulpit, etc., they still lost in '06.

And . . . Conyers, of course, who is listening to what his leaders are demanding ---

What will it take to create such an impact that they have to acknowledge the public's
desire for impeachment?

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