If anyone (like me) had to leave and isn't sure how this Kucinich thing finally shook out...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/6/164257/349

...this strikes me as a decent recap. Anyone have anything else to add? I had to go out for a couple hours and lost track of what was happening with this, so...

that the Democratic leadership would actually try to expose Cheney's crimes, they would have voted with Hoyer to table the Articles of Impeachment.

Since Republicans KNOW there is no danger of that, they voted to make Hoyer/Pelosi/Conyers take extra steps to kill the Articles and thus further demoralize the party's base.

would not take it farther, making the base even more furious with them.

particularly the tidbit about the dems who voted not to table and then turned around and voted to send it back to the JC.

"Of interest: If he wanted to, Kucinich could do this over and over and over again, as often as he wants to. Anyone who wanted to could. A motion to impeach is always highly privileged."


Hell, Kucinich ought to do this every damn day if he's that serious about impeachment.

for real investigations. The main obstacle is (are) nancy Pelosi/Steny Hoyer who do not want the investigations to take place. We know that MS Pelosi does not like people in her fornt yard, so we may need to find another way to speak with her.

Hoyer is an appeaser of a dangerous authoritarian.

Although I'd say that for the whole leadership in the House.

And the Repugs just called what they think is a bluff. Its now entirely in the Dems court.

Think so but I've been in and out.

Just a resolution?

:shrug:

It plays into the notion that Republicans always know how to outsmart Democrats and that the looney left is ultimately bad for the Democrats. Its not surprising that DKOS bloggers are pushing these ideas since they now seem to be fully in support of Clinton and her triangulating, centrist strategy.

The TRUTH is that a majority of Americans are opposed to the hawkish policies of Cheney. Republican congresspeople, who are supposed to represent their constituency, are responding to this and want the impeachment crowd to have their day in court. Of course, they will appear united along the GOP line that this is all politically good for the Republicans, but they also know that the neocon policies of Cheney are ultimately bad for Republicans.

On the other hand, the "neocon" baton is about to be passed to the neoliberal Democrats in the next presidential election. Is it any surprise that the DLC, at the very least, supports Cheney and doesn't want to call into question his strategies of getting us into neverending war in the Middle East?

The real tragedy in all of this is that the Far Left, being headed by Kucinich, is being marginalized by both parties. Now is the time to throw our full support into these investigations. We must counter Conyer's recent statements that this will throw off other investigations, and make it clear that we need to investigate the true nature of the nuclear threat of the neocons which is drawing us into these neverending wars.

Try to stop looking where the bad guys are pointing.

and the ever expanding circle of corruption surrounding him. Have you been keeping up with the Plame/Sibel/AIPAC scandal threads?

"the "neocon" baton is about to be passed to the neoliberal Democrats in the next presidential election." :scared:

If that baton is passed with The Unitary Executive Powers intact, don't think for ONE MINUTE that a democratic executive branch will NOT abuse those powers.

IMO, the most important task of our Congress is to reign in the recent POWER GRAB of The Unitary Executive Branch. Otherwise, it doesn't matter what party holds "The Executive Branch" because it will boil down to FASCISM and the continuing dissolution of The Bill of Rights. :(

with a falsity. The dkos community does NOT support Clinton, and even a passing familiarity with the site would correct that impression.

The rest of your post is mere speculation rooted in paranoia.

but the "paranoia" with respect to neocon influence is playing out. Plame is accusing those surrounding Cheney of outright conspiracy and treason, in interview after interview.

While I doubt that Hillary Clinton will play a leading role in the fascist takeover of our government (I may be wrong), she could very well serve as a bridge to successive administrations, just as Bill Clinton served as a useful bridge between Bush I and Bush II by helping to sweep Iran/Contra under the rug.

You clearly and succinctly revealed the subtext that most are missing, intentionally or otherwise, within the Dem party. Unfortunately that leaves those of us who get it in the extreme minority with Kucinich.

but my conclusions could not be drawn without the extensive work of many of the researchers here on DU. (I should also mention that several do also post of DKOS.)

This is why it is EXTREMELY important for these investigations to be realized, continued, and verified in the judiciary committee and presented to Congress. Several in the media are also starting to cover some of this, but there is so much corruption below the surface that has yet to be touched upon.

I don't visit Kos. Glad to see there's still no reason to change that.

Excellent analysis. And yes, the marginalization is disgusting, especially from the Dems. I've sent copies of American Judas to both Waxman and Conyers and received zero response. Et tu, Brute?

since i know where you are coming from. I look forward to your posts here.


and to AntiFascist, you should speak up more. Follow the recommendations and send your words into a new post.


:kick: and R!
dp

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2225765&mesg_id=2225765

at 4am Pacific Time, if you'd care to kick it. Thanks!

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If this is the end of it, I don't see how this is any different than when Congress sent Bush that Iraq war bill with the time-table, he vetoed it, and they gave up. Like a lot of DUers, I felt that Congress should have sent him the same bill again and again.

If Kucinich is serious about impeaching Cheney, then he'll bring it up again and again until something starts changing. If he doesn't follow up on today's action, it's hard to see it as anything other than a cheesy publicity stunt.

don't know.

:(

Where it will sit next to Kucinich's other resolution calling for the impeachment of Cheney, which was offered through regular channels back in April.

For all their "just win" bluster you never EVER let something like this live and breath. Big mistake. All that most people will hear is "Cheney...impeach" see how that works???

:rofl:

Are the Dems who are after the White House and their supporters missing the point about an organized Democratic response to BushCo in favor of selfish isolationism?

Except this time it's Dennis, motion to table impeachment, debate, end,
Dennis, motion to table impeachment, debate, end etc.

Who knows. Maybe if Cheney blows someone's face off in the middle of this, it will
loop over to Dennis, motion to table, debate, vote and Ayes have it!