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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:20 PM
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The House Leadership Must Go
Today's fiasco over Kucinich's Articles of Impeachment proves that they are utterly inept, both at short-term tactical politics and long-term strategic vision.

Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" mantra handed the repugs the advantage today, and they used it to make the House Democrats look like buffoons. Hoyer's failure to gavel the proceedings to a halt allowed it to happen.

Pelosi and Hoyer should be ridden out of town on a rail, but first they must be stripped of their leadership positions. They have no idea what they're doing. Today proved that without question.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:22 PM
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1. Yes, they knew the Dems would not back Dennis, that they are weak-kneed.
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 06:22 PM by Bonobo
And they dragged their naked asses right through the street (in front of their loved ones).
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:25 PM
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2. never forget the first vote on the motion to table (kill) the Articles
House Democrats were overwhelmingly voting to table the Articles, which would have killed them outright.

Why were so many Democrats voting against Articles of Impeachment? I think they must have been under orders to keep the powder dry.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:57 PM
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17. They knew the dems would not back Dennis because they (Pelosi and Hoyer)
made absolutely sure the Dem's would not back Dennis. They spend more energy making sure the dems won't do anything progressive than they do trying to end the war.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:29 PM
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3. They didn't make anyone look like buffons
Just because the Republicans are saying that's what they did, doesn't mean it's true. People are not going to care about this in the long run, because it mean nothing.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:36 PM
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6. i disagree...they made House Democrats look ridiculous
by voting not only to table Articles of Impeachment but then to shuffle them off to committee after the House voted to hear them?

in what way does that make House Democrats look like they are at all interested in challenging the WH, or even that they are not sitting in chimpy's lap?
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:36 PM
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11. I disagree!
The Democrats looked foolish all by themselves!

Man, did you catch the deer in the headlights expression on Hoyers face?

-Hoot
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mikelgb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:38 PM
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13. I saw. It did. I care.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:32 PM
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4. agreed -- they suck ass...
Complicit? Cowardly? Both?


:puke:


Me, I NEVER wanted Pelosi as speaker. That woman is weakness personified.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:36 PM
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5. yeah, yeah. But we have no way of impacting this
except by witholding donations and voting. They're fucking hapless, and we're fucking stuck with them.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 06:51 PM
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7. Barney Frank knows what he's doing. Make him Speaker of The House. n/t
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:01 PM
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8. K & R x 10
We have to do better than this. We need some real leaders in this party.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:29 PM
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9. And make sure Hoyer leaves with them. I knew we'd rue the date he was elected.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:33 PM
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10. I am going to
Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 07:34 PM by vpilot
keep hoping, they could really turn this into a BIG, BIG plus for the Dem's if they are smart enough to see it and act. The Republics handed them a lemon, will they turn it into lemon aid?
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:37 PM
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12. Kucinich should be in the leadership...
I say make the Democrats vote with Cheney -- we need to see where the enemies of freedom lurk, especially if they are near.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:42 PM
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14. Of course they know what they are doing. They are working for their corporate employers.
Yes we do need new leadership, but don't buy the tall tale that they are incompetent.

They know exactly what they are doing, or not doing for that matter.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:54 PM
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15. If I didn't know better I couldn't tell the Democrats
from the Rethugs in so many instances.

It's as if the Democrats take turns taking the hits so it won't be the same ones taking the NO votes to the floor.

It's a sham ~ all smoke and mirrors.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-06-07 07:56 PM
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16. Buffoons? I watched it as well, I honestly don't see that they acted as such?
In fact if I am not mistaken the house leader pelosi wasn't even seen?
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