Cindy Sheehan: Traitors?

Traitors?
Submitted by davidswanson on Wed, 2007-11-07 01:26. Cindy Sheehan

By Cindy Sheehan

“America is a nation without a distinct criminal class; with the possible exception of Congress"
Samuel “Mark Twain” Clemens

Today, November 6th, Dennis Kucinich exercised a Congressional privilege and introduced his bill, H Res 333 on the House floor to impeach Vice-Criminal Richard V. Cheney. Some people question the timing of introducing the resolution today. Was it just motivated by the proximity to the Iowa Caucuses? Is Dennis actually concerned with our Constitution and preventing a seeming impending attack on Iran? Either way, a resolution to impeach any, or all, of BushCo has been long overdue and was supported by many of the progressive base which is clamoring for peace and accountability.

As soon as the resolution was introduced, House Majority Leader, Steny Hoyer (D-Md) made a motion to “table” or kill the resolution. The vote to do so was supposed to last for fifteen minutes, but lasted for over an hour as the vote, which was at first 3 to 1 to kill the resolution, started tipping the other direction as repugs started to switch their votes from the “yea” to the “nay” column (not because they are finally growing some true patriotism, but because they almost always cynically use political manipulation). From the first, the Democrats overwhelmingly voted to kill the resolution, following their treasonous leadership who are boldly asserting that parts of our Constitution dealing with impeachment; spying on Americans without warrants; and incarcerating Americans without due process or torturing human beings are no longer valid. BushCo and Pelosi/Hoyer’s Congress, Inc have rewritten the Constitution with the blood of almost 4,000 Americans and over one million innocent Iraqis.

After Hoyer’s obedient move to kill the resolution was unsuccessful, he immediately made a motion to send the bill to Congressman John Conyers’ (D-Mi) House Judiciary Committee. That motion passed with most Democrats voting “yea.” So more than likely, Dennis’ motion of today can languish in committee along with the one that he introduced straight to committee seven months ago. Yesterday Rep. Conyers’ defended the Speaker’s traitorous demolishing of the Constitution by saying: “If she (Pelosi) were to let this thing (Justice, maybe?) out of the box, considering the number of legislative issues we have pending…it could create a split that could affect our productivity for the rest of the 110th Congress.” Well, with the 110th Congress’ past “production” of pissing off Turkey and giving George billions of more dollars to continue the deadly (2007 worst year for deaths in Iraq) occupations while legitimizing George’s crimes, affecting their “productivity” might be a good thing.

Deposed House Majority Leader, Tom Delay is a criminal that used his position as Leader as a personal financial windfall for his family and his contributors. Tom Delay was forced to step down as Majority Leader as a slew of scandals rocked his office and the affects are still being felt in other members of Congress. Nancy Pelosi’s selection as Speaker was groundbreaking, and way past time, as the first female Speaker, but she has been, not only a failure but a disaster to democracy. She admitted it herself last week when she said she would give Congress low ratings, too. She acts like she is a helpless player in this national order of things. If only the world wasn’t filled with “Senators and Republicans,” then she would be able to do her job! If the world wasn’t filled with Senators, House Reps, Dems and Repugs, my son would still be alive and I would still be a working Mom in Vacaville, Ca. We often have to work or make do with a set of circumstances that are not ideal, but that should not prevent us from doing our jobs with integrity and courage. It shouldn’t prevent us from being effective, but when it comes to Congress, Inc, it mostly always does.

Even though I am once again disappointed (but not surprised) by the antics of the House of Representatives today, I have never been in favor of impeaching Darth Cheney, only. In fact, Dennis told me a few days before he introduced H Res 333 that he was going to do so. Dennis and others have argued that if we impeach George first, then Dick will be president. Well, who doesn’t believe that Dick hasn’t been president for the last nearly seven years anyway? If Dick is impeached first, then George will appoint a new V.P. that could be just as bad, if not worse, and we all know that Congress will immediately roll over and approve George’s choice (with a few token “grumbles”). I have always been in favor of impeaching them both, simultaneously, but I am not so sure anymore. If George and Dick are impeached, then someone who is as much of a tool of the corporate establishment, Nancy Pelosi would become our president for the final months of an already catastrophic failure.

The entire bunch of co-conspirators with BushCo, that some people call the “Democratic Leadership” need to be removed from their positions of power in the House. Particularly, Nancy and Steny need to make way for some leaders who will represent the progressive base and not abuse our commitment, passion, and organizations any longer.

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If we go to war against Iran, may Steny Hoyer and all those who voted yesterday to table or consign Dennis's resolution to committee be visited with nightly, vivid dreams of the uncountable innocents destined to become victims of those votes.

But most especially Hoyer. May he never know a moment's peaceful sleep again, for the rest of his miserable life.

It's the least I wish upon them.

very well indeed!

n. One who betrays one's country, a cause, or a trust, especially one who commits treason.

The Congress is allowing an ongoing criminal enterprise to run our government and country into the ground for their own personal gain despite their sworn oaths of office to protect and defend the Constitution. Yeah, I'd say the word traitor is a good fit.

Traitors, treasonous bastards...I can think of a few more!

...or what Cindy?

"...was it just motivated by the proximity to the Iowa Caucuses?"

What is YOUR motivation behind a hit piece against Dennis Kuinich, Cindy?

She's saying to support Dennis.

That's fucking awful.

she's worthless.

with calling her or any other woman who is fighting for the end of the war a bitch.

come on...

:shrug:
When you can't address the issues you resort to personal attack and name calling just like the Republicans..

Our Democratic Speaker of The House. That makes Sheehan the enemy, "just like the Republicans".

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: That is some funny shit.

Excuse me, but it's the Democratic speaker who is behaving like the "enemy," not Cindy and not Dennis.

And yes, I agree that she, and those who are not doing what the people of this country are demanding that they do are traitors. And cowards. And people who think that their political game-playing is more important than our rights the Constitution.

cheer at the designated pauses of "our" candidates' campaign speeches, and just go through the motions at the polls like a good Democrat?

:eyes:

That's not my cup of democracy, though.

:evilfrown:

Do you command the same sort of prominence? Are you able to get things done in the same manner and scope? Or are you simply one of those keyboard commandos who talks a good game but never gets off your fat ass and actually do something in the real world? Somehow I think it's the latter. Cindy is worth a dozen of you.

who uses gender slurs to keep women in their place. :)

Just running your mouth? Tell me what you've done to try and stop it? Anything?

IMO, it's disgustingly unamerican to imply one must be qualified somehow in order to exercise their rights to free speech

KEEP TALKING!

Support my candidacy and other independent, progressive candidacies. If there is no good candidate in your district, run yourself, or search for one to encourage and support.

From the article: "Support my candidacy and other independent, progressive candidacies. If there is no good candidate in your district, run yourself, or search for one to encourage and support."

she might be considering a run for a House seat, not Senate. Study a bit before you show your stupid ass!

about what they do, and do NOT do, with their authority as well.

These traitors need to hear a question from the plebes. The 4th estate is complicit and we all know it.

Wow. You guys are really covering yourselves with glory.

Lord knows that I don't always support her in her anti-democrat endeavors, but the language and hatred toward her is putrid. And ignorant.

DLC detests Cindy.

I doubt the DLC gives her a second thought. She doesn't have any real following.

I find it almost incredible. And sad.

Over the years I've noticed that, though everyone has an opinion, some are simply worthless and without honor. Those opinions quite loudly advertise a lack of class and dignity.

"Worthless bitch"...


This dramatic lack of civility is simply without merit or honor... worse still that it comes from an alleged progressive.

But they show up every single day.

there is really no reason to be so ugly in their condemning of her actions or words.

I think people forget those early days when going against the cabal was not so cool and how much she took and gave up to ensure he did not remain untouched by criticism.

You don't have to like her, but her message regardless if the words are spelled correctly are her own, yes some agree with her.

Others not all the time, I am one of those but in no way shape or form would I ever deny her right to speak her mind, she does not speak for me, she speaks for herself and for others.

She has earned that right, and too many people have fallen hook line and sinker for the media's attempt early on to make her nothing more than a joke in order to silence her message and growing dissenters that once remained quiet and unassuming silently in their homes being outraged by this cabal.

I just wish Du would not be so rude, if you don't like her message, you can so so but what's wrong with saying it a much more adult and nicer tone?

Whom has she ever really hurt? Has anyone ever died because of her words and our actions? Has anyone been pushed into harms way because she pushed them?

I can't imagine what it must be like to be so hated, know it, hear it, feel threatened, get threatening letters and such. I am not sure how many people can endure such without having full protection which I don't think she really has..

I do wish she would quit attempting to just attack Dems though and it does seem more and more that is where her focus is lying and there are plenty Republicans deserving of being condemned. I wonder why so many are now immune?

Now if only she'd eschew them. She really has become a master of the clumsy personal attack, and as usual, she's so over the top, she edges herself only further into irrelevancy, every place other than in a few internet sites, and with a minority of the anti-war movement.

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Reality is while the focus is on Hoyer, he was doing the bidding of the Empress. We have an Emperor with no clothes in the White House. And his Empress is in the House of Representatives.

Truth to power, baby!

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

So, if Cindy is so intent on acting like a constitutional scholar, she ought to stop throwing around charges of "treason" that don't fall within the constitutional definition.

The framers of the Constitution made that definition very very narrow quite purposefully.

Traitor is the word DU jour.

has committed, INCLUDING getting us into an illegal war does NOT follow the definition of treason? But receiving a blow job does. Am I still on DU????????

On edit: speeling

traitors in this article. I don't know if that's what the poster was referring to, but I think it's over the top.

If I'm watching someone get brutally murdered and I stand around and do nothing to try and stop it because it might ruin my reputation or income source, I'm just as guilty as the murderer. Yeah, I think treason for this treasonous bunch of blue dog Democrats is EXACTLY right.

far from useful. There is a SPECIFIC legal definition of treason. And Cindy's bomb doesn't fit it. Neither does yours. Moreover, this piece exemplifies why she's become so irrelevant. Sad, really.

And sad to see DUers who want to see dems stand up for the constitution, so eager to trash it themselves, when it fits their purposes.

murder which is exactly what we're doing to the innocents of Iraq and about to do to innocents of Iran. The BFEE and their Democratic enablers are committing treason by any standard -- including the legal one.

65% of the American public want us out of Iraq and our 11%-approval-rating Congress wants to continue to murder innocents, including our own soldiers. It doesn't get more relevant.

You've got some off-the-wall personal vendetta against anyone who doesn't goose-step to the Democratic Party line. I've got news for you. People are leaving the Democratic Party by the MILLIONS -- particularly after we expected change after the 2006 elections which WE, the progressive grassroots, (NOT the party rah-rahs) won for them, and NOTHING happened.

I'm dismissing your last sentence as being your usual incoherent ramblings.

since it seems that the party did pretty well in places like Virginia and Kentucky.

states. You realize that, right? Virginia's Senators are a Republican and a VERY conservative Democrat (whose campaign I donated to). All that aside, I was referring to the party membership. One doesn't have to be a D to vote for the Democratic candidate.

you assert that people are LEAVING the party, when in fact empirical data suggests otherwise. Again, provide a link to your data.

including the exhaustive new Pew poll/survey, show that the OP is wrong, and confirm that he/she pulled that on out of, er, thin air.

I may be a lot of things, but incoherent and rambling aren't two of my faults.

It's simple; really, really simple: There is a Constitutional definition of Treason. You and Sheehan have meandered outside of that definition, guided, it appears, by sheer hate.

Now to contradict a few of your blatantly untrue assertions: I don't march in lockstep with the dem party. If that were so, I wouldn't strongly support impeachment. duh. I wouldn't condemn the party leadership for being cowardly, ineffective and apparently corrupt.

As for the Congressional approval rating, true enough. But you fail, unsurprisingly, to look deeper: Americans disapprove of the Congress, but like their own Congress critters. Ah, apparent paradox; such a stumbling block for those who are nuance impaired.

Your statement that Congress wants to continue to murder innocents is laughable. The democratic leadership is too craven and too fearful to do what needs to be done; that doesn't translate into a desire for innocent blood.

I do have a bias though. You're right as rain on that: I have a bias against stupid. And lord knows, there's plenty of that in the world.

So dems are leaving the party by the millions? Got a link to something that backs you up?

Here, peruse this:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=1206

Section 4: Long-Term Political Trends


Earlier this year, the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press reported that the Democratic Party had opened a wide advantage in party identification. (See "Political Landscape More Favorable to Democrats," March 22, 2007.) A new analysis shows that the Democratic lead is virtually undiminished.

Based on nearly 20,000 interviews conducted between January and October of this year, half of Americans say they think of themselves as Democrats (33%) or as independents who lean toward the Democratic Party (17%). By comparison, just 36% identify as Republicans (25%) or as independents who lean to the GOP (11%).

This 14-point advantage is the largest in nearly 20 years of surveys by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press. Just five years ago, in 2002, the balance of partisanship was even, with 43% identifying with or leaning toward each political party.

the 11% approval rating is a number that originated as a right wing talking point on Fox News.

The Democrats are still hold a commanding lead in polls over the repubs in terms of public confidence, in virtually every area. I will provide links if you provide a link to your assertion that people are leaving the Democratic party in the MILLIONS.

You should have edited more than your spelling.

It's not even 6:00 am here. :hangover: :P

Sad to say, but Cindy has become irrelevant to me. She used to have a quiet dignity about her, a grace borne of loss and tragedy. No longer. I tune her out now.

I don't like to see the word 'traitor' cheapened with casual usage. It doesn't apply here. Complicit, hapless, incompetent, morally bankrupt, feckless, enabling, soulless, corrupt...all those words apply. 'Traitors' does not.

and every one who supports them.

Why do people fail to see that there has to be a conviction, not just impeachment? Nothing short of conviction is acceptable, proper justice has to be done.