No candidate earned more then 66% needed to win the DFA Presidential Endorsement.

helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:25 PM
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No candidate earned more then 66% needed to win the DFA Presidential Endorsement.

DK won the straw poll. I don't remember this disclaimer.

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southerncrone

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:27 PM
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1. I don't remember that disclaimer either. Hmmmm.

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helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:29 PM
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3. Hmmmm is right.

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southerncrone

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:05 AM
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8. kick

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:08 AM
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9. thanks. :) We could use some Rs too. :)

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MadHound

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:29 PM
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2. Hmm, that's odd, I don't remember that little caveat.

Seems like their setting the bar just a wee bit too high since no candidate is polling anywhere close to fifty percent right now.

I wonder what's up with this.

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helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:30 PM
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4. Time to point this out to the DK camp. ETA I remember them warning about

Edited on Tue Nov-06-07 11:31 PM by helderheid

perhaps having to endorse whomever was in the running if Gore won. No one then had 66%. This smells funny.

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helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:31 PM
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5. Something ain't right.

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helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:34 PM
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6. for those of you following this, please keep this kicked. I'd like to get to the bottom of it.

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helderheid

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Tue Nov-06-07 11:46 PM
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7. k

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:26 AM
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10. kick

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:33 AM
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11. thanks for the rec - sorry for all the self kicks

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 09:56 AM
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12. Wednesday morning KICK!

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:00 AM
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13. Not many seem to give a shit about this but I'm pissed - I wrote DFA and the Kucinich camp. It's one

thing to expect the media to marginalize him but DFA? :wtf:

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proud2BlibKansan

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:03 AM
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14. That 66% requirement is pretty standard

Yes, DFA did a lousy job of pointing that out, but it isn't at all unusual. Most political groups that endorse have that rule. At least the ones I belong to have it.

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:04 AM
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15. Well what was the point of the poll? NO ONE is polling that high.

Thanks though for the response. I may be making a mountain out of a mole hill but they did dare Gore to enter the race because they wouldn't be able to endorse him unannounced - he wasn't anywhere near 66%.

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proud2BlibKansan

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:06 AM
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16. But in most endorsement polls, at least one candidate does poll that high

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:08 AM
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17. Then why would they approach Gore? I don't get that. Oh well.

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proud2BlibKansan

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:11 AM
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18. Did they approach Gore?

I am not arguing that they did not do this but just wondering - and sorry if I missed that. I didn't pay much attention to the fine print once I voted.

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 11:13 AM
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20. Yes, they challenged him to enter the race because they couldn't endorse him unless he did and he

was at 30% or so.

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Uncle Joe

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Wed Nov-07-07 05:38 PM
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31. Then, they put a second graph out

reflecting where the candidates would be should Al Gore not run, I lost interest in the poll at that point, I saw this as an attempt to snuff his momentum just as he was cracking 30%. Had they left poll alone as it was in the beginning with without alteration, I believe Al Gore would have garnered many more votes and some people wouldn't have went back to change their votes in order to manipulate the results.

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Yael

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:19 PM
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25. The point was to collect email addresses

Or at least, that is what I gathered when I voted.

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proud2BlibKansan

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Wed Nov-07-07 01:56 PM
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28. I doubt it.

I am on the steering committee for two different DFA chapters. In order to get on most of their email lists, you have to go to DFA Link and sign up. They might send out other emails but we have been directed to tell our members to sign up at DFA link or they are not on the DFA email list.

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Yael

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Wed Nov-07-07 05:04 PM
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29. This poll required an email. Maybe just to stop spamming?

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bdamomma

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Wed Nov-07-07 10:14 AM
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19. k

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leftchick

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Wed Nov-07-07 11:17 AM
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21. "DFA Withholds Kucinich Endorsement" A Rant

and a good one at that... :grr:

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=4814

Dennis Kucinich won the Democrats For America straw poll with 44% of the vote, almost twice as much as the runner-up Obama. But DFA refused to endorse him.

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DFA announced that a candidate had to have at least 66% of the vote in order to get their endorsement.

With so many candidates, it was unlikely any one of them could get 66%, but if they held a new poll with only the two or three frontrunners, Dennis could get that 66% easily. So of course they won't do it.

Democrats For America is an oxymoron like Progressive Democrats. Nobody can call themself a Democrat these days and still have anyone believe that they are for America or that they are progressive.

That's why Congressional Democrats have only a 22% approval rating among Democratic voters.

Let's tell them that they'd have to have at least 66% in order to get our endorsement.

In order to poll that high, they'd have to put impeachment back on the table, stop funding the war, stop passing free trade agreements that cost Americans jobs, and start acting like Democrats. They may have forgotten how.

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progressoid

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Wed Nov-07-07 11:57 AM
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23. Sorry, but that's not a good rant.

1. It's Democracy for America. Not Democrats for America.

2. Dennis got 31.97% Not 44%

3. Can't read the rest. "Diary Entry cannot be found"

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FrenchieCat

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:22 PM
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26. Surprised that they wouldn't institute a run-off election......with the top

three vote getters. I know that progressive believe in the run-off system for regular elections...so it would seem to me that.....

Forget it. Guess politics is politics, period. :eyes:

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book_worm

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Wed Nov-07-07 11:56 AM
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22. An orgaization doesn't endorse a candidate who gets 32% of the vote

Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 12:01 PM by book_worm

Yes, that was a good showing for DK, but that still means that 68% voted for somebody else, and with over half of their numbers voting for somebody else--you don't endorse a candidate. Most organizations, unions, ect would act that way. However, it's still a good showing and he should be pleased.

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Fly by night

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:05 PM
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24. Gore came in 2nd (even w/extra steps to write him in); HRC came in 5th, < 5% of votes

Just where is HRC's support hiding?

Certainly not among the internet-literate.

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NoPasaran

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Wed Nov-07-07 12:25 PM
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27. The 66% thing was there from the very beginning

Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 12:25 PM by NoPasaran

Here's the test of the email from October 17:

Dear XXX,

With the first votes for the presidential nomination officially starting in less then 90 days, it's time for DFA members to make sure America knows where we stand.

Vote for your candidate right now and let your voice be heard!

http://www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/PulsePoll

Is there a consensus candidate that can get more then 66% of your vote and earn the DFA endorsement? Will Senator Obama beat Senator Edwards again by just a few percentage points? Will Senator Clinton pass up Congressman Kucinich and move into the top three? Will our members still vote to draft Al Gore even this late in the race?

Help us answer all these questions by getting out the vote for your candidate right now!

On November 6, exactly one year from Election Day, we will announce your winner and ask all of our members to join the winning campaign�. Please vote today:

http://www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/PulsePoll

You already have access to videos recorded by five of the candidates created just for DFA members on Iraq and Global Warming�. Over the next three weeks we'll hear directly from many of the campaigns again and Senators Edwards and Obama will kick it off with emails at the end of this week.

This is our final Primary Pulse Poll and the results will not be taken lightly. America wants to know who DFA members will support, because you are the boots on the ground that make change happen. We provide what others can't; Action, Community, Training, and Leadership all working to win in every district in every state. We're 600,000 members strong with a track record of electing over 540 progressives to office wince 2004.

When DFA members get active and speak out for a candidate, voters listen. Now, let's put our support behind the best candidate for president. Please vote right now.

http://www.DemocracyforAmerica.com/PulsePoll

Thank you for everything you do,

-Charles

Charles Chamberlain
Political Director

� DFA's commitment to the winner will be based on these guidelines: If one candidate receives more then 66% of the vote and at least 100,000 DFA members total vote in the poll, then the winner will get the DFA endorsement and at least one recruitment email to our membership. Fifty percent plus will win a recruitment email, but no endorsement. If no candidate gets 50%, then the winning candidate in each state will win a statewide announcement email.
� Over the last six months, we asked each of the candidates what they would do about Iraq and Global Warming. Five candidates created videos just for you and they are all posted for your review on the Pulse Poll voting page. If your favorite candidate hasn't submitted a video to DFA, please contact them and encourage them to submit one.

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helderheid

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Wed Nov-07-07 05:33 PM
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30. Thanks

:hi:

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