Yup let's make it all about Iraq/Cheney/Terror/Impeachment instead of health care for the next year

We already have a huge majority of Americans who are pissed off about Iraq and want a pullout now. Let's give Cheney a year front and center to debate the issue and talk about "Democrat cut and runners" so nobody thinks about health care or any other issue. Then at the end Cheney won't be removed by the Senate and maybe a whole 62% will want a pullout. Democrats will be in a divided shambles. SWEET

That's what's going on in REPUKE war rooms right now. Rudy and all other RePUKES would love it.

to see people brought to justice

Hardly. He will resign long before the trial begins.

Investigations will accomplish more and prove more. A failed impeachment is a vindication.

I agree with you :patriot:

You can advocate letting criminals walk, but you're clueless if you think cowardly whining like yours is going to STOP us from calling for them to be held accountable for their crimes.

Couldn't stop us before, won't stop us now. Fucking DEAL WITH IT.

the forest for the trees. The smaller issues will continue to go unresolved, caught in signing statement/veto/lack of veto overriding votes ... limbo - until, unless, Dems find the courage to return the country to one with a TRUE balance of power - not an Executive branch run amok.

...(S)maller issues will continue to (be) caught in...limbo until--unless--Dems find the courage to return the country to one with a TRUE balance of power...

Or at very least, try to. Even if this ends up failing completely, it is now on public record, and a weapon we can use against the loyal Bushies next November. Thanks, Dennis. And thanks to the Rethugs who have hopefully outsmarted themselves.

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I would SPIT on them for such shameful cowardice. How dare they claim to be for justice!

Adherence to the US Constitution should be the most important consideration always. Cheney has violated the very heart and soul of the US Constitution.

...I'd like the numbers for this Friday's Mega Ball. Thanks.

Cause the fish is getting gutted, and is about to be filleted.

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best to let Bushco continue pissing all over it. No big deal, right? Please...

The main one being to get our country back. The second, to raise our standing again in the eyes of the world. Right now the rest of the world considers us to be a rogue state ruled by a lawless cabal. Even the simple effort, win or lose, to bring justice back to this country would improve our world standing greatly.

Oh, and what makes you think that anything will be done about health care, especially in an election year? Hell, the 'Pugs simply don't do health care, and the Dems, excepting perhaps Kucinich and Dodd, don't want to do health care now, they'd rather run on it as an election year promise.

Look, you may not value justice and the rule of law, but many, many people do. It's past time we returned those qualities to our government.

Impeachment is not the only tool in the box. In fact it's the hardest to use and requires the most skill and the most hands.

There are better ways.

so what's the point

"they" being the corrupt critters who would refuse to sanction "Un-American War Criminals For Greed, Torture Loving, Power Grabbing, Treasury Looting, Dollar Tanking, Jobs Outsourcing, Worlwide Disapproving, Chickenhawk Warmongering" thieves, and choose to let them walk away scot-free (after all the despicable crimes they committed, and still commit every single day!)...

That would be very funny to watch (i.e., how many "less" votes they'd get next time their shameful names would show up on ballots).

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not to mention our freedom. So tell me, what great healthcare measure will pass through congress and be signed into law by bush for the remainder of his term?

As long as Bush and Cheney remain in the positions they are, you can kiss all those health issues goodbye, if the last few years have not taught us that they don't care about such trivial expenses i don't know what else they have to do?

who would deal with those issues

fear regarding the election is that it is once again stolen outright and right in front of our eyes....

I would hope that there are others out there like me, who know the value of addressing issues such as health care, the war, education etc needs a voice, but I would hope they like me realize just why these issues have us outraged to begin with, which is of course because who has been in control of them for the past seven years?

And if they remain in control how much more damage will they be able to do?

You have noticed that your house is on fire. What would you do first?

A. Pay your bills to avoid late fees

B. Schedule the overdue 30,000 mile maintenance on your car

C. Google Overstock.com for deals on home fire extinguishers

D. Immediately call the fire department

Or, if you simply don't believe that the most important issue at hand is for the United States of America to remain a government of laws, please explain?

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NT!

Let's try it and see what happens.

in the end the scumbags will stay in office.

to deny health care to the youngest of our country? The very foundation to our future?

Impeachment was not taking the issue away then and yet still, poof, it is gone.

NT!

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Man, that's a really bitty little table. Maybe we should get a bigger one.

the US Constituion

GOT IT.

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and let king george veto the "democrats'" half-assed occasional attempts to rearrange deck chairs on the health care Titanic poop deck for the next year.

No need to stand up for the Constitution and against totalitarianism.

Just business as usual, as usual.

It ain't going to happen with Bush in office - period.

Impeachment is a responsibility, an obligation if... since, the president and VP have broken the law.

The only pragmatic argument against it is reduced the likelihood that the democrats will consolidate power in '08. I doubt that it hurts.

your point about hurting the Democrats in 08 is my point

you do remember the Dem Presidency... I sure don't

And you can sleep at night, knowing you're advocating that people who stole power, illegally wiretapped, started a war based on lies that has killed nearly a million people get away with it?

In this case, justice and self-interest align nicely.