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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:34 AM
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As I read it Kucinich has some leverage with Hoyer and Pelosi....
House Rules allow a point of personal privilege to be raised at any time. The only way to defeat it from being brought up is to have the Speaker rule that the resolution is out of order.

Today Kucinich read the entire resolution into the Congressional Record when he raised it as a point of personal privilege. It was then read in its entirety a second time by the Clerk of the House. So ruling the resolution out of order is highly unlikely at this point.

Now that it survived the motion to table and was referred to committee, Kucinich has the power to 'raise it again whenever he wants' on the House Floor, which KO just mentioned on Countdown.

So if Hoyer and Pelosi intend to kill it in committee by letting it die a slow death by inaction, Kucinich can thwart that plan.

Imagine for a moment that Hoyer now must address the issue with Kucinich on a remarkably different basis.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:37 AM
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1. I like the way you think, Blackhatjack
n/t.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:39 AM
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2. Interesting theory.
I must ponder this one. Sort of like the proverbial thorn-in-the-side. Hmmmm...
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:39 AM
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3. So perhaps this could put pressure on them to actually have an investigation?
And hearings?

Because otherwise, I didn't see the point -- an single hour of "debate" wouldn't bring about an impeachment. But if this is a way to pressure them to move onto an investigation, it makes more sense.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:46 AM
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7. They have to deal with Kucinich or he can demand an hour of public debate covered by CSPAN
It depends on what they are willing to do to appease Kucinich.

I do not understand why the Dem Leadership is so afraid of impeachment. When the Repubs all switched their votes today to oppose tabling of the resolution, Dems should have changed their votes in mass to oppose tabling and gaveled the vote to a close with only a handful of votes to table being recorded by DEMS AND REPUBS.

Learn how to stand up to Repubs and fight back.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:04 AM
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10. Now that would have been funny, all the Dems then changing
their votes. How goofy is this whole situation. At one time Conyers was totally committed to revealing the bush admin. dirty dealings and now he is backing away. Polosi got to him I know, but still, maybe I am missing something. This admin. is absolutely the worst ever and it appears they are going to get by with it.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:39 AM
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15. Do you really think they would have voted to impeach him after
a single unscheduled hour of debate?

And what would be the point of having a vote if they couldn't get the impeachment?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:14 AM
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13. IMO, it is the way our government is suppose to respond
Dennis K should have the ability to keep this important issue in front of the Congress by any means necessary.

Even if they try to dismiss his voice, this gives him the right to still question, still keep his words on the record..

Seems to me that since our Speaker decided that she was taking it "off the table" that makes her more important a voice than she needs to be.

I want to keep hearing from each and everyone of the members that agrees with her, especially going into election time.

Speak Dennis! Speak for those who have no voice and yet, in poll after poll, the majority of the American people are in favor of Impeachment.
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daninthemoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:41 AM
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4. I'm wondering what his best action would be. It seems like our
corrupted corporatist leaders are only interested in marginalizing Kucinich, his resolution, and his presidential race. He is winning some polls, he is trying to stand up to this criminal administration, and it appears he is on his own. I feel like he alone is representing the majority of the American people, and his own party is blocking him.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:15 AM
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14. He is one of the few with a spine that stands up straight nt
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:42 AM
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5. Now if we could all get a writing to everyone we know we can get the heat on the congress to move
on this!

"Colbert Did you shrink that constitution down your self?" Kucinich " No, No, No George Bush already did that!"
Got Fascism Yet?

Fascism Accomplished!
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:44 AM
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6. I think the real proof, if it really does get to the floor, is how the Democrats in the house
actually debate and vote on it


There actions will speak volumes


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:41 AM
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16. I wouldn't expect them to approve it without investigations and hearings.
But to vote for impeachment after a single hour of debate? I can't see that happening.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:46 AM
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8. I wasn't aware of that, I am sure many on here were not as well, good to know.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 12:52 AM
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9. to the greatest page with you ...
to the best of you all that know this will change the horizon.

:thumbsup:


dp
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:06 AM
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11. And IIRC, impeachment gets the biggest, most considered and important attention.
:thumbsup: And I have no doubt someone out there will confirm this.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:08 AM
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12. Gen. Roberts made provisions to "CHALLENGE THE CHAIR" too
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 01:09 AM by upi402
There are probably parliamentary tricks to table Kucinich and most American people as well.
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2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:19 AM
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17. k&r (nt)
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:02 AM
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18. k + r
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