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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:45 AM
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Help me get this straight re: Kucinich/Cheney Impeachment...
I was an election inspector yesterday and completely out of the loop. Tell me if I've managed to piece this together correctly from the threads here.
1)Kucinich read his bill to Impeach Cheney.
2)We saw the expected yays and nays (progressives vs others) and nays from repugs.
3)The repugs started to change their votes to yays to force the discussion (if the Dems dared).
4)The Dems retreated.

Have I got the basic situation correct?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:50 AM
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1. Somewhat.
The leadership was going to table the measure but the republicans wouldn't let them as they changed their votes during the process. Hoyer then decided to send it to committee in hopes he can protect Cheney by having it die there.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:51 AM
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2. Almost but not quite.
The dems never retreated. They had no intention of allowing DK's proposal to ever reach debate status and they succeeded, after a tough fight.
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conservdem Donating Member (880 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:06 AM
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3. Did the republicans get the better of us with this result?
And should DK and others have foreseen this and handled it better?
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:15 AM
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4. I don't think so at all. The GOP is reeling as it is. DK "brought impeachment to the table"
in a way, where it made some headlines. Cheney at 15% or whatever his approval rating is, is a wide open target.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:10 AM
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5. I agree.
Nobody really won, but DK reaped an enormous amount of publicity because of it and the impeachment issue is thoroughly on the table--at least as it comes to being talked about.

So, overall, the dems won, in spite of Hoyer, Pelosi, and Conyers.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:22 PM
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7. Where have you seen media reports?
I have been browsing the TV today and saw no mention...(maybe I just missed it)
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:31 PM
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9. I apologize for getting back to you so late.
Today has been a day of minor medical emergencies and, though I realize no excuse is really good enough, it's all I have.

I'm not sure just how wide the coverage was, but every single newser I listened to last night, all night, found time to mention it. The internet has been cooking all night and day, C-SPAN covered it in little bites all evening and this morning, msnbc covered it during the early hours, today. I did not monitor POX noise nor the network news broadcasts, so I can't vouch for them.

The rest of my communications were limited to personnel and customers at the bank and those who never listen to news were no wiser, but those who do invariably knew what I was talking about when the conversation turned to DK and his Don Quixote moment.

Not a terribly wide cross section, I will own, but enough to tell me that the impact congressman Kucinich made was far out of proportion to the actual results he achieved.

Hope this clears up my comment.
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Zywiec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 09:12 AM
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6. Yes
House Republicans initially opposed the effort to debate Mr. Kucinich’s impeachment measure, and briefly there were 290 votes in favor of tabling it.

But then the Republicans sensed an opportunity to irritate the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California, who has said the Democrats have no interest in impeaching Mr. Cheney or President Bush over the Iraq war. The Republicans began changing their votes, and by the end, the tally was 251 to 162 not to table it, with 165 Republicans voting no.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/07/washington/07cheney.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:23 PM
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8. they got the better of the House Leadership
Pelosi and Hoyer (and Conyers, to a lesser extent) look like jackasses because of this.
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