Records of United States Nuremberg War Trials

Full set of related documents available at derivative site (no endorsement of that site intended): http://www.profit-over-life.org/

Now, who can quibble? Unfortunately, no one else will read the material in this format.

Thanks for the link to the archives, SLAD. Lots of interesting, valuable source materials there.

;)

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material. Anyone familiar with the literature about Nazi war crimes realizes how complicit IG Farben, Krupp and others were.

were, shall we say, entangled in the web as well.

what SLAD's Rath advertisement theorized. It's hardly surprising that big business was involved in the mechanics of the nazi death machinery, anymore that it's surprising today that corporate interests are exploiting and profitting from the Iraq war.

But I guess that's your job.

So you're saying we should condone the genocide, accept it as "bidness as usual", yet at the same time we should actively discriminate and be selective/racist by only blaming the companies and therefore, the people/nationalities that we don't like.

I sensed you really wanted to zero in on those German companies.

Guess its okay for the American companies to profit off of using humans as guinea pigs/slaves for their vast war machine but the German companies are the bad companies?

can't say it troubles me, but it certainly is an obstruction to actually having a meaningful exchange of ideas.

I said nothing, of course, about condoning any genocide. But it's interesting to see how contemptibly low you're willing to go, to vent your spleen.

Beyond that, you simply don't make enough sense to respond to in any real way, but no, I'm not saying that American companies weren't active collaborators in some cases. And yes, they should certainly be held accountable and condemned. That had nothing to do with my beef about SLAD's original post by the sham doc and his sham rip off "foundation".

Wow. Let me post it again. Do I need to explain it to you first? Briefly, the NYT says that won't run certain ads that could be harmful to people. Yeah, they're taking his money. They're a commercial enterprise. They run ads by Kevin Trudeau and other known shysters as well. Awfully naive of you not to understand this. Oh, and let me add that the questioners list of condemnations is too brief. He left off the United Nations and the AMA. Sad that your friend couldn't help you out more effectively.

Q. The NYT has run many ads by Matthias Rath, a vitamin salesman who makes unsubstantiated claims that micronutrients treat AIDS, cancer and bird flu. Rath has a warning against him by the FDA and his ads have been ruled against by the British Advertising Standards Authority and the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa. His claims have been condemned by UNAIDS, Harvard Medical School researchers and many others. One of his ads described an experiment conducted on people in South Africa for which he had no ethical approval. He has also misrepresented the NYT on his website by giving the impression that he has written for or been quoted in the paper. Why does the NYT persist in running his ads? I can supply further details if you require.

— Nathan Geffen

A. We do not accept advertising from Dr. Rath that claims to cure AIDS or cancer with micronutrients. He did run some advertisements where he used his own research to show improvements in AIDS research trials in Africa. Subsequently, those claims have been discredited and they have not been repeated in this newspaper.

Recently Dr. Rath has been back on his original crusade against the multinational pharmaceutical companies. We allow this kind of advertising because it is opinion advertising. Dr. Rath feels that the global, oil and drug companies are behind our society's dependence on drugs to treat illness and that going to war is only one means to the end in keeping that monopoly. One of is recent ads was headlined "Nuremburg Records Reveal: Oil and Drug Cartel Behind WWII. We will continue to accept these.

DID YOU?


We will continue to accept these.


You got my thread locked and the NYT will continue to accept

You can't dispute the documents so quit changing the subject and highjacking this thread

petulant. I've already pointed out that there's not a reputable historian in the field who would buy Dr. Rath's baloney about the drug and oil companies planning and carrying out WWII. Some things are so absurd, one doesn't bother. Take a history course. Read Shirer and Manchester. There's tons of material out there. Did the industrialists collaborate with Hitler? You bet. Did they run him? Read some fucking history please.

And that the NYT, a commercial enterprise takes fucking advertisements, is NOT an endorsement for the content of the ad.

It's embarassing to watch you hanging on to a commercial to booster your argument. The ad is to make money. Period.

response to a post of mine, which wasn't even directed at you. I responded directly to what you posted. Yikes, you really are confused.

If you'd like to discuss the documents, I'd be glad to. What aspect of the information is it that you're focused on, and what's the point you're trying to make?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/17/business/media/17askthetimes.html?_r=1&pagewanted=5&oref=slogin


An AIDS Cure?

Q. The NYT has run many ads by Matthias Rath, a vitamin salesman who makes unsubstantiated claims that micronutrients treat AIDS, cancer and bird flu. Rath has a warning against him by the FDA and his ads have been ruled against by the British Advertising Standards Authority and the Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa. His claims have been condemned by UNAIDS, Harvard Medical School researchers and many others. One of his ads described an experiment conducted on people in South Africa for which he had no ethical approval. He has also misrepresented the NYT on his website by giving the impression that he has written for or been quoted in the paper. Why does the NYT persist in running his ads? I can supply further details if you require.

— Nathan Geffen

A. We do not accept advertising from Dr. Rath that claims to cure AIDS or cancer with micronutrients. He did run some advertisements where he used his own research to show improvements in AIDS research trials in Africa. Subsequently, those claims have been discredited and they have not been repeated in this newspaper.

Recently Dr. Rath has been back on his original crusade against the multinational pharmaceutical companies. We allow this kind of advertising because it is opinion advertising. Dr. Rath feels that the global, oil and drug companies are behind our society's dependence on drugs to treat illness and that going to war is only one means to the end in keeping that monopoly. One of is recent ads was headlined "Nuremburg Records Reveal: Oil and Drug Cartel Behind WWII. We will continue to accept these.

all about I.G Farben's American partners

"Bosch Invasion" (Time May 6, 1929)
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,732320-1,00.html

bond purchases are evidence that WWII "was planned and financed by the world’s largest chemical/ pharmaceutical cartel."?

That's simply not how historians work. They don't make leaps like that. And there's not a reputable historian in the world- let alone a historiographer- who would do so. Nor is that remark historically accurate or endorsed by reputable scholars.

of which your trying to limit context to one component (chemical/pharmaceutical) doesn't apply at all.

Do your homework on the Ruhrlade-I have.

A lot of my methodology comes from the bastard child of all social sciences-sociology-- so using defensive dominant school of methodologies arguments from anywhere rolls down the drain.

Plus a whole lot more. That's all I've got to say to you in this thread.

Bob

the Intelligence Community she works for?

to get help. I have no desire to stop the discussion of this and the idea that I work for the intelligence community made be splutter tea.

dissembling inanities combined with fainthearted criticisms of Bushista power and abscence of topics critical of same in any substantitive way say oodles about where you are coming from.

to this later.

reply to crap that is intended to get this locked, thank you

Thanks for posting these documents.

:kick:

...and hold accountable the corporate interests which control our "democracy"?

I sure do appreciate all your researching and bringing to light so many important facts & topics.

...and also your incredible patience with those who seek to...um...shall we say...divert the conversation here.

Keep up the great work.....the truth will out.

:hi: :hug:

DR

http://www.mazal.org/MICROFIL/M936-01T/936-1000.htm
NATIONAL ARCHIVES MICROFILM PUBLICATIONS

Microfilm Publication M936

RECORDS OF THE UNITED STATES
NUERNBERG WAR CRIMES TRIALS
NM SERIES
1874-1946


THE NATIONAL ARCHIVES
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS SERVICE
GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION

WASHINGTON: 1973
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Mr. Mazal is an anti-revisionist, dedicated to collecting facts from the past as a rebuff to Irving and the club.

Main link to the archive:
http://www.mazal.org/archive.htm

Thanks

:rofl:

thanks for posting this again, SLaD.
now off to read 'your fan club' reactions and how they will somehow try to twist this up against you.
;)

Scare me like that :spank:

I'm really sensitive to that "hate site" accusation


:hi:

Think we can get this up to 58 votes?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0702-03.htm


Bush to Name Ex-Lilly CEO to Run AIDS Fund
Praise and Skepticism for Major GOP Donor

by Amy Goldstein and David Brown

President Bush plans this morning to name Randall Tobias, a former pharmaceutical executive who is a Republican activist, to coordinate a $15 billion program to help prevent and treat AIDS in nations of Africa and the Caribbean that have been ravaged by the epidemic.

According to government and outside sources, the White House selected Tobias, who is in his early sixties and is a former chairman and chief executive officer of Eli Lilly & Co., to lead the initiative through a new office at the State Department. At least one source said that Joseph O'Neill, a physician who directs the White House Office of National AIDS Policy, would move to the new program, as well.

The appointment comes a month after Bush signed the AIDS initiative into law.


Randall Tobias would oversee a $15 billion AIDS program for Africa and the Caribbean. (AP Photo/Michael Conroy)

The initiative was a surprise proposal in the president's State of the Union address last winter and was adopted by Congress with uncommon speed for a major piece of public policy. It will essentially triple U.S. expenditures over the next decade to try to curb HIV internationally, and the White House has championed it as a humanitarian investment -- at a time when other aspects of the administration's foreign policy have antagonized some traditional allies.

The money will be directed primarily to 14 countries, most of them in Africa, and is intended to: expand efforts to curb the disease's spread; pay for medicine and training of health workers; build clinics; expand testing for HIV, the virus that leads to AIDS; and help orphans whose parents have died in the epidemic.