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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 01:59 PM
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"Sovereignty": is that a RW code word ?
Please forgive me for these questions, but I'm trying to decode RW-speak. What does "sovereignty" mean when Boortz, Hannity et al use it ? Boortz seems to almost foam at the mouth when he uses it. Thank you in advance.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:00 PM
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1. Apparently it only applies to the US and ultimately to them
of course.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:03 PM
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2. Context? Having gained some knowledge about how these things work
(mostly from Brock's The Republican Noise Machine), I have some ideas, but context would be helpful.

Whatever it is, it can't be good for anyone but the power elite Neos.
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:07 PM
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5. my memory of context
usually the word is used in reference to immigration and John Edwards, if my memory serves me correctly. The World Court has been denounced as undermining our "sovereignty". I'm sorry, my memory is a bit hazy about the exact contexts.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:05 PM
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3. Nationalism. America, love it or leave it. aka - Das Vaterland.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:07 PM
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4. American Exceptionalism
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:10 PM
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8. More like American Exceptionism
Everyone has to follow our rules - except us.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:11 PM
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9. Same thing actually
but this is critical for empire building
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:08 PM
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6. Kinda like "States Rights"
knowhatimean?
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:08 PM
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7. It is a concept of law
Where in a monarchy, sovereignty means the king, in the U.S., it means the people.

Or used to.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:21 PM
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11. Yup. It's a term that's both both used and abused, depending on the agenda.
All too often, now, the right wing is making reference to Iraq's "sovereignty" - meaning their entitlement to guide their own affairs and govern themselves without outside interference. It's a convenient use of blinders, ignoring the two decades of "outside interference" from the U.S.

The right wing is working at shifting the blame for the catastrophe we've visited upon them - a little like the mugger telling a mugging victim to stop whining.

Like many references to valid legal concepts and principles, the right wing loves to dip into that bag of ill-understood concepts and employ the terms when it's a convenient rationalization for pursuit of their self-centered goals. The list is almost endless ... ranging from "entitlements" to "rule of law" to "democracy."
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:12 PM
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10. Sovereignty = RW lust for total US preeminence as sole-superpower...
...I usually hear it in the context of hating the United Nations or any treaty involving international cooperation. They just want to wield a big dick stick and have the rest of the world bow down.
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:23 PM
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12. Sovereignity means independent power.
Essentially: "Nobody has authority over us but us." A sovereign nation is a nation that exists of it's own right, and is not ruled by another.

Right wingers like to use it to bolster their claim that international law doesn't apply to the U.S. The concept of a sovereign nation means, by it's very name, that it recognizes no law higher than it's own.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:41 PM
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16. I find it convenient to refer to a person's "sovereignty" over their own body, particularly the womb
I find that discussions regarding choice/abortion benefit from using that term to convey the idea that no other person has the moral right to impose it's laws on a person's body. It establishes a paradigm that has many parallels, including colonization, diplomacy, emigration, etc.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:34 PM
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13. It is code, reference depends on context
Others have identified some of the uses of this code but one has been overlooked. It is often used by nutter RWers to imply a UN-led, Jewish conspiracy assembling a one-world government. Of course, discussion of the conspiracy in public is bad form, so they emphasize sovereignty instead.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:35 PM
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14. I'm willing to bet it's a ploy to exempt the administration from Geneva Conventions
and UN guidelines.

It could conveniently be applied regarding torture, immigration, treatment of citizens.

You are wise to question it. If more than one RW hack says the same word or phrase within 24 hours, we're being had.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:40 PM
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15. Well, according to President Bush...
"Tribal sovereignty means just that; it's sovereign. You're a -- you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B5xVRXLgLxw

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