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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 02:37 PM
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Key Gaps In NUKE Story-Bush Administration got caught at Barksdale (Larry Johnson)
Are We Preparing to Nuke Iran
By Larry Johnson on November 7, 2007 at 12:07 AM in Current Affairs

More today on the mysterious movement of nuclear tipped cruise missiles from Minot to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana in September. An excellent piece in Counter Punch by Dave Lindorff http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff11052007.html identifies some key gaps in the story. According to Lindorff:

The Pentagon has been stonewalling on my requests for answers to key questions. For two weeks a public affairs office has been declining to respond to my question about whether the six nuclear-tipped cruise missiles flown by B-52 from Minot AFB to Barksdale AFB were programmed for specific targets, and if so what those targets were, or even whether the team that investigated the incident checked to see if they were targeted.

The Air Force and Pentagon have also declined to explain whether US nuclear weapons in storage in US bunkers have been provided with the same alarm and motion-detection sensors that the National Nuclear Security Agency helped to install on the nukes being stored on Russian bases.



So I sent the article to my buddy, the B-52 pilot (retired). Here’s his take:

I can’t fault any of the logic he (Lindorff) uses and no matter what road you take they all come back to the fact that there is more to this than just a mistake. We both agree that there was another purpose for the nukes than to mistakenly put them on obsolete, soon to be destroyed, cruise missiles and ship them off. They were used as “saber rattling” or a prelude to their actual use. I can understand the first one, the second one scares me. Whatever the truth is may not be known for some time, but for now it seems things may have been put on hold. Although we still are making a lot of noise about Iran etc. I’m sure that one of the plans for any response in that area would be to use cruise missiles with nukes to take out the major defenses and their capability to make their own weapons.


I do not know Lindorff’s sources, but I know my friend. He’s a combat veteran and quite conservative. I take his word seriously. The Bush Administration got caught at Barksdale. I believe they were trying to pre-position nukes for use in Iran. Let’s pray I am wrong.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2007/11/07/are-we-preparing-to-nuke-iran/
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 03:12 PM
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1. This story has been keeping me awake at night, i can't seem to shake it!
With all that's been going on the past six years, it's this one little story that scares the hell out of me. Along with the fact that the last Iraq war funding bill, has a section to retro fit B-52's to carry bunker buster bombs.

As i understand it we don't need bunker buster bombs in Iraq or Afghanistan, so why the retro fit? Perhaps it's a smoke screen i have know way of knowing, but something really smells.

Peace!
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:37 PM
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3. It was for B-2s
The funding was $88 million to modify the B-2s to carry the Massive Ordnance Penetrator, in response to "an urgent operational need from theater commanders."

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/mop.htm
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:24 PM
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4. Thanks for the correction,
either way do you know if this type of ordnance is needed in Iraq or Afghanistan? It was my opinion that the Bu$h admin wanted these retro fit B-2's to bomb Iranian underground nuclear sites, of course i have no knowledge of this it was just MHO.

Peace!
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14thColony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:19 AM
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5. I was just being pedantic
But your overall point is entirely valid: the Massive Earth Penetrator has no application in any current conflict. True, the Hussein Government in Iraq had bunkers so hardened that we in retrospect failed to breach them with 'normal' heavy penetrator weapons, but we own/control those bunkers now. A weapon like this has precious little value fighting an insurgency; weapons like this are specifically for destroying deeply-buried and/or hardened underground facilities, whatever those facilities may be. Targets of that sort are part of a national infrastucture, not something a guerrilla group is likely to have. Basically we're talking Syria, Iran, and North Korea.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:46 PM
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2. if the missiles were targeted
the military sure as shiite better not tell you or I that. How would that information not be classified?

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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:10 AM
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6. the GOP Media Establishment has a dead ear to this...wonder why
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:19 AM
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7. Nice
We're apparently getting ready to drop nuclear bombs on another civilian population without warning, a population that can't defend itself, can't get away, and won't know what hit it, with effects for the survivors lingering for decades before culminating in horrible, pain-ridden death.

But let's make a big deal out of Obama not wearing a flag pin on his lapel, just because he can remember what country he's in.
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tailwind Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:20 PM
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8. Nothing To See Here Move Along.
Don't worry sheeple - if it's not mentioned by the MSM then it's not credible info.

I trust CNN and FOX.
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:44 PM
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9. I still do not know what to make of this seriously effed up situation.
I'd like to believe it was an intentional plant to do the "saber rattle" thingy.

But, DAMN!!! If it's merely saber rattling, why the fuck are service people being prosecuted?!!!

I am AFRAID (yes, I'll say it, I am scared to fucking DEATH) that Cheney is going to force PNAC one damn way or another.

If I had the means to do so, I swear to God I would leave this country and take my family out of harm's way because I am too damn old to "fight" and our kids are too damn young to be pulled into this shit!

This country is sinking and all the screams are being put on "mute" because political expediency has become a sick obsession. It's killing me to watch it.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:58 PM
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10. in a related story...
Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Thu Nov-08-07 01:30 PM
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Cheney Tried to Stifle Dissent in Iran NIE (National Intelligence Estimate)

WASHINGTON, Nov 8 (IPS) - A National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) on Iran has been held up for more than a year in an effort to force the intelligence community to remove dissenting judgments on the Iranian nuclear programme, and thus make the document more supportive of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney's militarily aggressive policy toward Iran, according to accounts of the process provided by participants to two former Central Intelligence Agency officers.

~more at link~
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2241122



Iraq 2.0 :(

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