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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:41 PM
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Paul Craig Roberts: Dollar's Fall Collapses the American Empire
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 04:49 PM by seafan
Dollar's Fall Collapses the American Empire; Bring Those 737 Overseas Military Bases Home!

By Paul Craig Roberts
November 7, 2007


.....

The First Post (UK) reports that Jim Rogers, a former partner of billionaire George Soros, is selling his home and all possessions in order to convert all his wealth into Chinese yuan.
Meanwhile, American economists continue to preach that offshoring is good for the US economy and that Bush's war spending is keeping the economy going. The practitioners of supply and demand have yet to figure out that the dollar's supply is sinking the dollar's price and along with it American power.

The macho super patriots who support the Bush regime still haven't caught on that US superpower status rests on the dollar being the reserve currency, not on a military unable to occupy Baghdad. If the dollar were not the world currency, the US would have to earn enough foreign currencies to pay for its 737 oversees bases, an impossibility considering America's $800 billion trade deficit.
When the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency, foreigners will cease to finance the US trade and budget deficits, and the American Empire along with its wars will disappear overnight. Perhaps Bush will be able to get a World Bank loan, or maybe one from the "Chavez bank," to bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

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In his state of the nation message last year, Russian president Vladimir Putin said that Bush's blathering about democracy was nothing but a cloak for the pursuit of American self-interests at the expense of other peoples. "We are aware what is going on in the world. Comrade wolf knows whom to eat, and he eats without listening, and he's clearly not going to listen to anyone." In May 2007, Putin criticized the neocon regime in Washington for "disrespect for human life" and "claims to global exclusiveness, just as it was in the time of the Third Reich."
Even America's British allies regard President Bush as a threat to world peace and the second most dangerous man alive.
Bush is edged out in polls by Osama bin Laden, but is regarded as more dangerous than Iran's demonized president and North Korea's Kim Jong-il.
President Bush has achieved his dismal world standing despite spending $1.6 billion of hard-pressed Americans' tax money on public relations between 2003 and 2006.

Clearly, America's leader and America's currency are poorly regarded. Is there a solution?
Perhaps the answer lies in those 737 overseas bases. If those bases were brought home and shared among the 50 states, each state would gain 15 new military bases.
Imagine what this would mean: The end of the housing slump. A reduction in the trade deficit.

And the end of the war on terror.

.....

The American empire is being unwound on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan. The year is two months from being over, but already in 2007, despite the touted "surge," deaths of US soldiers are the highest of any year of the war.
The Taliban are the ones who are surging. They have taken control of a third district in Western Afghanistan. Turkey and the Kurds are on the verge of turning northern Iraq into a new war zone, another demonstration of American impotence.
Bush's wars have endangered America's puppet regimes. Bush's Pakistani puppet, Musharraf, is fighting for his life. By resorting to "emergency rule" and oppressive measures, Musharraf has intensified his opposition. When Musharraf falls, thanks to Bush, the Islamists will have nukes.

American generals used to say that the wars Bush started in the Middle East would take 10 years to win. On Oct. 31 General John Abizaid, former commander of US forces in the Middle East, put paid to that optimistic forecast. Speaking at Carnegie Mellon University, Gen. Abizaid said it would be 50 years before US troops can leave the Middle East.
There is no possibility of the US remaining in the Middle East for a half century. The dollar and US power are already on their last legs, unbeknownst to Democratic leaders Pelosi and Reid who are preparing yet another blank check for Bush's latest request for $200 billion in supplementary war funding.
There isn't any money with which to fund Bush's lost war. It will have to be borrowed from China.

The Romans brought on their own demise, but it took them centuries. Bush has finished America in a mere 7 years.

Even as Gisele throws off the dollar's hegemony, Brazil, Venezuela, Ecuador, Bolivia, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, and Columbia are declaring independence of the IMF and World Bank, instruments of US financial hegemony, by creating their own development bank, thus bringing to an end US suzerainty over South America.


An empire that has lost its backyard is finished.




Ms. Pelosi, Mr. Hoyer, step out of our way.




(bold emphasis added)
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:46 PM
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1. right again Paul
>The macho super patriots who support the Bush regime still haven't caught on that US superpower status rests on the dollar being the reserve currency, not on a military unable to occupy Baghdad. If the dollar were not the world currency, the US would have to earn enough foreign currencies to pay for its 737 oversees bases, an impossibility considering America's $800 billion trade deficit.
When the dollar ceases to be the reserve currency, foreigners will cease to finance the US trade and budget deficits, and the American Empire along with its wars will disappear overnight. Perhaps Bush will be able to get a World Bank loan, or maybe one from the "Chavez bank," to bring the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bingo! I'd say Paul is right on the money! (All bush can rattle is the puny gun in his cowboy holster--sorry, that's not enough)

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:46 PM
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2. By offshoring, the Empire chose to let itself go. Now ask WHY.
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 04:46 PM by HypnoToad
Maybe there is a good reason.

Maybe not.

Or maybe there is.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:50 PM
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5. Oh, there is a very good reason, imho
Excellent post as always, HT.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:54 PM
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7. Are you thinking what I think you're thinking?
Possibly or not.

I've conjectured before it's about greed. I've conjectured real tinfoil fluff about peak oil being a factor... I haven't exactly espoused how offshoring is meant to get more Americans to use their God-given talents, which is as much a legitimate possibility too.

But for all the talk by the MPAA, RIAA, BSA, and other anti-piracy outfits who have no qualms suing little girls, the discontinuity only shows a hypocrisy that ruins their credibility.

Maybe if Americans start to pirate like the Chinese do will we get jobs and sweet deals again. THAT'S THE MESSAGE THEY'RE SENDING.

And, no, I don't intend to pirate. I buy the apps legitimately. I am merely reporting articles and adding my own opinions to them. And I think there is a hypocrisy.

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:03 PM
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12. We don't know the facts ... we're not allowed to
All we can do is sit around and conjecture, but we're thinking in similar ways. I do think there's a larger plan behind this. IMO, the child who pointed out the emperor was naked was the first conspiracy theorist. lol

I think what we need to do to fight these extreme centrists (who came into power masquerading as "anti-big government") is support the sovereignty of individual states. And that can only happen if cities become more independent. Then we can do battle with them from a position of strength.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:08 PM
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16. There might be... but then,
the US has offshored jobs lots of times.

A season 1 episode of "Maude" talks about her hubby selling Japanese-made goods.

An episode of "All in the Family" has Mike (the uber-liberal) drooling over the idea Nixon may one day go to China (it was a sort of "flashback" episode as to when Mike and Gloria got married...).

Offshoring has been going on for a very long time; either there's been a very long period of time, and I mean half a century or longer, where a bunch of people wanted to slowly destroy the US (which is highly unlikely), or it's about the easier access to greed. China's market allows such chicanery to take place; even if it spits in the face of decency (we all may as well order from amazon.hu from now on if that's how the game is played; globalization should benefit everybody...).

Sometimes, a cake is just a cake. Even if we think of the icing much more than what it really is.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:14 PM
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18. A cake is a cake, so long as there isn't a lot of evidence it's a Mars bar :)
I've been studying the Bush family for years. I know how deep they are in the global Social Darwinist movement. There is a definite plan in place ... not that it'll work. Government can't even keep track of its own infrastructure with any degree of competency. lol And we've seen the Crème de la Crème of the Bush empire with Little George.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:01 AM
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29. interesting concept. smaller units, cities can more easily convert from fossil
fuels, for example, and reorganize structures.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:21 AM
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32. Exactly. That's what needs to be done. Smaller, local units can have far more impact locally
They can also speak for local resources and barter more strongly with the center.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:24 AM
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34. gary hart spoke of this in a book of his
called the New Jeffersonian Democracy iirc, in 2004

If you can get it, must read... my copy is in storage
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 04:49 PM
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47. Because the age of nations is ending
The new empire/empires are corporations. Rome, Britain, Germany, United States............Halliburton, Bechtel......??
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 02:18 PM
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57. The United States of America...
brought to you by Bechtel, were security and profit are our #1 mission!

And BASF, we didn't write the constitution, we just made it corporate friendly.

And Halliburton, serving fresh meals to our corporate army for over 3 generations.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:47 PM
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3. read American Theocracy for another take on this
This is the book by Kevin Phillips. He does extensive comparisons between the US, the Spanish empire, the UK, and the Dutch empire. He predicts that economic difficulties will cause the US to decline the way the other empires did. A side effect is that the population will become much less interested in religion in the US, as is now the case in these other former empires.
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Al Federfer Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:52 PM
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6. Why would religion wane?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:06 PM
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15. Religion is critical for empire
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:46 PM
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22. because religion was part of the mindset of the empire
Each of these empires saw themselves as exceptional and religiously-ordained. But after each collapse there was a mass disillusionment. After economic collapse in the US and obvious massive failure of right-wing religion-based policies, one could expect people to be fed up with it.

Phillips explains it much better than I can, I don't have a copy at the moment (loaned it to my lawyer for reading).
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Al Federfer Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:23 PM
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26. Let's hope you're right. n/t
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:34 PM
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28. Leo Strauss touted religion as societal control
Strauss (the guru of the neocons) taught that religion was necessary for a society because it was the way to keep the rabble in line. The elite, of course, did not need to believe in those religious ideas, and, seems to me, likely would not.

If you don't have a govt. trying to rationalize/legitimize its actions because of manifest destiny or end-of-the-world fears, and if a nation is in serious decline, religions wouldn't necessarily be funded (as they are now) and those who have been marginalized in the society can and will work to stop the b.s. -- maybe we'll even remove the "under god" part of the pledge. It's only been there since Eisenhower. If he could change it b/c of McCarthy (whose legacy seems to be coming to fruition with the neocons) then we can change it back because it's bullshit.
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:57 PM
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44. Well, if that happens, that would be ONE good thing to come out of it. nt
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:07 PM
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45. That's for sure!
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Ignis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:50 PM
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46. Seconded! This is an amazing book.
I learned more about the petro-theocracy than I thought possible from a single reading of Phillips' (admittedly dense) book. Highly recommended.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:49 PM
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4. Too many people forget that we are an empire of the Petrodollar
Since Oil has up until recently been traded in dollars, we got to supply pieces of paper for real resources to the other countries. Now, Euros, Yen and other currencies are beginning to be traded.

Our empire was built on smoke, mirrors and murder.
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flyingfysh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:47 PM
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23. the Kevin Phillips book starts with a long section on oil politics
I had expected him to start with religion. But no, he goes extensively into oil politics first, and then switches to religion.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:57 PM
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24. All things boil down to economics
even religion and other social controls are based on the system of labor management.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:55 PM
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8. and I can smell the break up of the country as well
too many disparate regions with disparate interests, once the empire finally implodes and it may implode while junior is still in power

That will make junior VERY dangerous.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:02 PM
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48. I'm hoping it doesn't happen quite that fast
but no matter, it will be dangerous when it happens. I wish we could come up with a kinder, gentler, more controlled way of having this end. But I don't see very many people noticing, even when things are right in front of us. Iranian Bourse? Have a war with Iran! South America getting too independent? Try to demonize and then kill Chavez, make an example! Worried about future water wars? Buy land in Paraguay! Heck, that one is a twofer, since you won't get extradited for your crimes against the world.

The emporer isn't just walking around naked, he's yanking on his pud and laughing his ass off at us.

And with this post, I just figured out why I got triggered by a show I watched last night. I watched the first episode of Office and realized I was angry by the end, really angry. I decided it must be because the impotence and rage that the employees felt reminded me of some of my past experiences with infuriating bosses, but I see now, that wasn't it. I was seeing correlations between the emotionally and politically toxic environment there and our equally toxic environment in the US.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:55 PM
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9. wow 1.6 billion on public relations, having karen (freddy krueger) hughes
as the pr person? He vetoed the SCHIP program which is a drop in the bucket compared to all this out of control spending?? We are so screwed..........
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:57 PM
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10. Maybe we can raise money by selling Alaska back to Russia?
??
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:00 PM
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25. And the South West back to Mexico.
And every one living there can exchange their nearly worthless $$$ to the newly empowered Peso. They might be the lucky ones.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 04:57 PM
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11. Time to dust off the old slogan: ITS THE ECONOMY STUPID!!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:04 PM
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13. When Musharraf falls, thanks to Bush, the Islamists will have nukes.
One thing PCR does not say is that China has an active program to sow good relations and invest in South America. That is where their raw materials are going to come from.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:05 PM
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14. "the sky is falling! the sky is falling!
Ah, Henny Penny," said Chicken Little, "the sky is falling, and I must go and tell the king."
I saw it with my eyes, I heard it with my ears, and a bit of it fell on my head," said Chicken Little........
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:10 PM
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17. Also a good point. Change does NOT necessarily mean destruction.
Why do so many people fear change? I'll admit I feel fear too, but I'll also admit we don't know what's all going on. It's one day at a time.

And not the awful sitcom.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:07 PM
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49. This kind of change will be rapid and unpredictable
As a travel nurse, I learned to roll with change rapidly and to not fear it, but I also learned to assess quickly which was reasonable change and which things I had to refuse to adjust my practice for. Revolution is almost always bloody and the chaos goes far beyond the controlled change level. There is no way to know that it will settle out to something better and in fact, history tells us that it often does not. This is not fear of change, this is girding for a mighty wind and it's a wind that is unlikely to land us in Kansas but rather more like the river from Deliverance.

I live my life one day at a time but I also watch and plan, as best I can, for the likely coming revolution. See you at the barricades.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:17 PM
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19. I am worried for my two kids, now in college. Scary stuff. Change is on the way. nt
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:31 PM
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20. Can someone please get rid of this clown and his assistant now
He has taken this great country of ours to prosperity to falling apart.

We had a surplus of billions, we had jobs, we were at peace. In the twinkling of any eye with his illegal invasion of Iraq he ruined not only the United States but the world.

Isn't it time he and cheney were taken out of the white house in hand cuffs and removed to a real UNDISCLOSED location never to emerge free men again.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 05:32 PM
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21. For the first time, I disagree with PCR on something- that being this statement:
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 05:32 PM by BeHereNow
"The dollar and US power are already on their last legs, unbeknownst
to Democratic leaders Pelosi and Reid who are preparing yet another
blank check for Bush's latest request for $200 billion in supplementary war funding."

"Unbeknownst" to Pelosi and Reid?

Hardly.
I assure you dear PCR, Pelosi and Reid are quite aware
and have prepared for their loved one's survival quite nicely-
thanks to all the corporate payola they have accepted over the
years.

BHN

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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:10 PM
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50. I agree about Pelosi and Reid knowing,
but unless their payola is in the form of Yuan and a nice chunk of land in Paraguay, I'm unsure how that payola will help them?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:05 PM
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55. Rest assured, their money is in globalist economic disaster proof accounts.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 11:10 PM by BeHereNow
Just as Cheney and other billionaire millionaires "in-the-know" have
done, their assets have most likely been moved to
bomb proof currencies and assets.
BHN

On edit-
You may wonder how I know this.
I will explain.
A dear friend of mine has a son who worked
for a congress piggy.
Thanks to him, we got some insider info- the
same info the the congress piggies are privy to.
We have managed not only to preserve some assets,
but actually profit substantially by transferring a persentage of our assets/dollars into
the same investments as the congress piggies.
Here's a hint- none of them are in US currencies or markets.
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canadianbeaver Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:12 PM
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52. Makes one wonder if the corps are paying in Euros.......eom
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:25 PM
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27. K & R for PCR
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 12:03 AM
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30. what an excellent thread, from the OP all the way down.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:07 AM
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31. Kickin' for the night owls-
BHN
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:23 AM
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33. they are failing
they failed
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 01:42 AM
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35. Scary thought is, perhaps they didn't fail.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 01:43 AM by BeHereNow
From where I stand, it looks intentional.
If you study the Trilateral Commission agenda,
things are exactly as "they" planned.

BHN
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:18 AM
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36. Agreed. Always was his plan to raid the treasury. He's a globalist not an American
and couldn't give a hoot about this country. What did he say
from the first week in office? I'm going to run this country
like a corporation.  Of course every corporation he was ever
in went bankrupt. 

The dollar falling? hell, it's crashing not falling.
It takes a $1.46 to buy 1 Euro...up another two cents today. 
And the Federal Reserve goes on printing more worthless paper
money.  You do know that the Federal Reserve is not a U.S.
government agency?  A misnomer probably to mislead the public
when it was first instituted. The Federal Reserve is made up
of world wide private banks.  And they are failing also. 
That's kind of funny.  Bush has even screwed them.

We might think that Bush, beside fully intending to raid the
treasury,remember his first act was to give billions to his
oil buddies in "tax refunds", leaving little money
for programs like social security and healthcare for children,
that Bush  had intended the dollar to fall so that China would
be re-paid with cheaper dollars...but maybe he didn't count on
the mortgage scams hitting at the same time.  What he has 
done is start a world-wide recession which is going to grow
into a world wide depression.

 Banks are failing, declaring losses of billions each quarter
with more to come. Investment banks are declaring losses of
billions.  These are the Wall Street banks that finance the
corporations, the globalists,  which decided they had picked
America clean and it was time to move on to cheaper labor and
countries with more consumers.  Can't think of a nicer bunch
of dogs for it to happen to.  The only drawback is that we the
people are caught in the middle of what I think will be
another Great Depression.

Maybe we will learn to buy American. Maybe out of necessity we
will start manufacturing and growing in this country again,
just enough for us and forget about the WTO, NAFTA and the
rest. Then we might not have to worry about questionable
quality of pharmaceuticals being manufactured in China and
India, or imported food or toothpaste and what poisons may be
in it,  or our children being poisoned by toys.

They, the globalists,  intended for America to become a
service country. We should all flip burgers and wait tables. I
never understood that. But I do think Americans have enough
ingenuity to start all over and start businesses making
clothes, and cars, and appliances , and furniture with labels
that say "Made In America".

And oh yeah.  Since Bush-Cheney, the IMF, the WTO and the Fed
have really screwed us, along with China, I think it's
perfectly reasonable to demand that we be forgiven the 8
trillion dollars in debt he has run up-or confiscate his
fortune to pay off some of it. 


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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:34 AM
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38. W E L C O M E to D U!!!
Always nice to meet some one who "gets it."
:toast: :hi:
BHN
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 09:29 AM
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42. Welcome to DU!
Excellent post!

:applause:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:11 PM
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51. Global Corporatist
Globalist makes it sound like he cares about the world, which he most assuredly does not. Otherwise, spot on.
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iheartfreedom Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 06:23 PM
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54. Excellent points.
As you say, we need to bring manufacturing back home. Not only are there important reasons for doing this like restoring an American middle class and avoiding 'lowest cost' foreign-goods poisoning of our children and ourselves, but as a nation we need to become more resilient in case of supply line breakdown, which is one of the scariest potential results of unchecked global warming. Restoring domestic manufacturing would not only cut global shipping CO2 emissions, but would also help us if (or when - god forbid) our port facilities wind up under water.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 02:21 AM
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37. "disrespect for human life" ... that's rich coming from Putin the Cannibal.
:eyes:


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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:18 AM
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39. They're bent on destroying the USA so they can create The North American Union with * in charge.
Edited on Thu Nov-08-07 03:22 AM by TheGoldenRule
If you doubt it listen to this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5420753830426590918&q=RUSSO&total=5530&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

or read this:

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060830133702539


Of course, some around think the North American Union is just a dandy idea because it will solve the problem with illegal immigration and hey, they like Canada too. :sarcasm: :eyes:

The creation of a North American Union means that the United States of America will be history, the Constitution will be completely shredded and thrown in the dumpster and * will take over as dictatorTOT (or given his delusions of grandeur) King George. And as for the rest of us...well it ain't gonna be pretty.

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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 03:29 AM
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40. We, and the world, will continue. The End is not at hand.
It's changing, rearranging for sure...doomsday pundits overlook that, at times, in favor of hyperbole.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:22 AM
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41. You aren't paying attention then. nt
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 05:13 PM
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53. Wow, and this revolution will be bloodless and controlled!
First.Time.Ever.

I would love it if you were right. I don't think you are.
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rAVES Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 01:34 PM
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56. The record industry could collapse, but Music can never die!
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 01:34 PM by rAVES
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OrangeCountyDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:30 AM
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43. Kick
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