The Dennis Kucinich group has a similar topic, but this is a much bigger forum. Dennis is my #1!

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Edwards Number 2

Of course Gore would be my .5 (but doesn't look like that will happen so - go DK GO!)

I'm attracted to Edwards's populist, creative message. He's my #2, unless Gore runs.

A true Democrat, and he's not even that far to the left.

He is not my 1st or 2nd choice.

I probably shouldn't even have posted in this thread -- its really more for DK supporters.

He just needs party backing. If the electorate gets enlightened enough to elect him, there would be no problem.

I am so glad he got impeachment discussion started. One hour on those serious charges would be nonsense, but he succeeded in getting it to the panel. Some here wanted it investigated there first anyway.

and I don't see him offering much to the moderates on the other side.

I know many people have a "f-them" attitude after having dealt with Bush/Cheney/Rove/etc for 7 years, but my goal is to nominate someone who I think can lead the vast majority of Americans. Some people call me a centrist, sometimes I do to.

In truth, I don't know if any of the candidates can do what I want of them, but I'm pretty sure DK can't.

I believe he can sway some moderates to our side, because his views just plain make sense. Many people want universal health care, and many people want withdrawal from Iraq to start now. Just because he has some differences with the "masses" doesn't mean that he could not convince them. What we should do is support him, or someone like him might never get a chance. And Kucinich is my guy, period.

What do you mean by that? Would you be happier if Dennis accepted some PAC and Corporate $$ for his campaign but not too much? What if he espoused kinda fair trade, like maybe WalMart would get an exception or something? What if instead of ending the war in Iraq he suggested we limit it to defending Baghdad and the Green Zone and maybe the humongous embassy we built there? As for Iran, would it suit you better if he said we PROBABLY shouldn't go to war with Iran? As for universal health care, maybe just for some people and everyone else would pay?

My point is, what do you mean by moderate? I haven't seen a middle ground since 2000 -- there are the wingnuts (liars, criminals, warmongerers) and then us sensible liberal/progressive types.

Editted to add: Maybe Dennis should flipflop once in awhile or tell a few lies to make you moderates like him better.

amongst my conservative/Libertarian friends. They are very impressed with the fact that Dennis is supporting the Constitution and that he wants to take our nation back to the rule of law. To them, that's the bottom line. NONE of them are voting Republican in the general election. If Kucinich is on the ballot, they will be seriously considering him.

the most conservative part of the state.

I suppose people mileage will vary on this sort of thing.

...as you so disingenuously put it. the other side are pro-corporate, pro-imperialist. they're rightists. kucinich is dead center america. kucinich will have no problem leading anyone who really cares about truth and justice. which side are you on?

You call me disingenuous. If this is the kind of persuasion we can expect from DK supporters, you have only affirmed my assertion.

If you look at past elections there are people in the middle. Moderate Democrats and Republicans and they sometimes swing. Sometimes they split down the middle, but sometimes they swing to give one party the lead.

I hope DK can be more inspiring than you.

one would have to assume you have actually looked at kucinich's positions. which of them do not suit the "moderate" or "middle"? and what do these terms mean at all if not opposition to real progressive ideas? i've seen the "moderates" and "the middle" at work in american politics my whole life and the results are clear. these forces block progress. america is circling the drain due to compromise with the right.

;) and bye.

not.

That's just simple incompetence. Kucinich can find his own ass with one hand, and won't panic when things don't go his way.

The "can't lead" meme is entirely an invention of teeveecentrics who can't get over Kucinich's short stature and left-wing ideals.

But I see you got the "anyone who disagrees with my opinion of the best candidate is just repeating what they heard on tv" meme down pat.

What are his actual shortcomings as a leader? What disqualifies him from the presidency, or should in your view?

I view DK as a rock solid liberal Democrat who has positioned himself as a statesmen of the left. But even within our own party he is left of center. Which is fine, in fact, great, as a Senator. We need him. But he sometimes fails to understand the importance of some issues among centrist Democrats and moderate Republicans. An example of this was he declaration that he would submit a bill to ban handguns after the VATech massacre. I can understand his frustration with gun violence and his desire to ban handguns is popular among effete anti-gun folks within our own party. Banning handguns, however, is serious smack in the face of everyone who carries or owns a handgun for personal protection. To top it off, he hasn't even proposed the bill. Either he is backing away without acknowledging the gaffe, didn't really mean what he said, or it hasn't reached the top of his chore list. I don't know.

Either way, I don't think DK understands middle America enough to lead them as well as he leads the left of center.

...where he would lead?

I do disagree, though. As president, he would only be able to sign or veto legislation coming from a Congress not all that different from the current one. His secret longing to make veganism mandatory wouldn't be a factor. :D

I think that most of America would be middlin'-pleased with an other-than-corporatist agenda in the White House. The wingnuts would raise a stink, of course, but they're gonna do that no matter which Dem takes office.

But I see where you are coming from. At least you aren't mindlessly bashing. I believe that DK can prioritize issues just like all our candidates do. Everyone needs to refine themselves a bit in the general election.

He's from Cleveland, grew up in a working class family, was homeless for a part of his youth, and lives now in a modest house in that city. We're talking about a fellow who worked as an aide in a hospital and as a cameraman. We're talking about a fellow who has had ups and downs in his life, and has learned from them. In my opinion, he understands Middle America far better than the millionaires running for office.

I could understand your position if he were running against people who had been president before. But none of them have so it can't be lack of experience causing you to say that.
So maybe you mean lead as in say one thing in the campaign and do another when elected. Well, you are right there -- he's the only candidate that does not kiss ass, does not back down and does what he says he will do. If those are qualities that would make him a bad leader then you are right.

....follow his lead. I'm not convinced he understands how to talk to and lead the middle (just left and just right of center).

there was a fellow who ran for President. It was said that he couldn't lead the nation. His views were too extreme. His only national experience was in the House of Representatives, and he'd never been a governor. He looked funny. His name was Abraham Lincoln.

to work itself out.

even if Lincoln hadn't been President. Do you honestly think that a President Douglas, Bell, or Breackenridge would have stopped the Civil War? There was already a civil war in Kansas which Buchanan did nothing to stop. I would also contend that Lincoln didn't start the war-the Southerners in South Carolina did that. Lincoln did everything in his power to avoid conflict.

Check out what Lincoln did with his cabinet appointments, and what his goals were.

But I know I don't want another bloody civil war.

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have kucinich...if I think at the time he could get the nomination I will vote for him...

Bumped up to #1, since Gen. Clark isn't running.

He's the only one who's right all day every goddam day.

Unless Al Gore runs

I would love to see Sec. of State DK, or DK the senator. He is a great human being.

That is, if he really wants it - because there aren't many like him in the Congress.

I support him all the way.

He is the only one I trust completely to do the right thing once in office.

My only other option might be an Edwards vote to avoid Clinton as the nominee. I don't necessarily trust him to do the right thing, but I really don't trust her to.

A distant #2, but, well...let's just say there really isn't a #3... ;)

But, I'll probably wind up voting Edwards. Not definite, but probably.

Wish i could vote for him twice.

But after yesterday, Kucinich moved right near the top of the list!

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And has been since 2004.

:hi: Kucinich or Gore, and I'm a happy Dem. :)

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but I think he will be number 1

K' is the only REAL progressive Dem on the ballot, people.
As people we have been so rightward tilted for so long,I don't think a lot of people even remember what a progressive is anymore.
In past years before raygun and his right wing shit heads those same names recycled again, that led to this bush coup..Left leaning people back than would have seen Hillary leaning on the right the same with Obama. Even Sen.Gore,his wife was Tipper gore who got all bent out of shape over evil song lyrics in the 80's,remember the PMRC? Parents music resource council? Tipper Gore's bullshit that Dee Snyder and Frank Zappa tore apart ? That crap was some fundie "moral majority" right wing bullshit if I ever saw it.And all I can do is shake my head and wonder why do people have such short memory spans? Did Dem's forget what it means to be on the left all of a sudden?
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2006/08/frank-zappa-on.html
http://www.guidestar.org/DisplayArticle.do?articleId=937#Gore
And what is the faith and values coalition? None other than the new name of Falwell's"moral majority".

Everyone loves Al Gore's environmental stance,He looks like a progressive, but I have my doubts..in 2000 he supported some things that just make me sick..like the Faith and Values bullshit,Bush wanted and has now.. and his wife is an obnoxious fundie but she just doesn't parade it around...Nice closet fundies who are freaked by global warming,do not make a person progressive really they just appear that way to the people with short memories and even shorter attention spans(I cut some slack for people too young in the 80's to remember the PMRC.Might I suggest look it up?)...Why do CD's DVD's and even video games now,have a parental advisory label? Thank Tipper. as in GORE..Al Gore's religiously toxic wife.

I'll be voting for him in the primaries at least.

I'm close to deciding they don't matter.

I stumbled on a link where you can choose where you stand on several issues, and it gives you a name of who is closest to your priorities.

Looking for that link...

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to Edwards, but Kucinich is gaining.

Mike Gravel's a distant second.

Go Dennis! :woohoo:
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!

and this is post #58! :P

edit: 58, counting the one with no number; spelling

It's so frigging frustrating.

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Dennis is my #1 in the General!!!

I'll vote for him in the primaries and write him in in the GE if necessary.

Go Dennis go!

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Woohoo dennis!

I wouldn't mind 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. turned into Denny's. :thumbsup:

the decision on weather to write in al or vote dennis has been a tough one for me.

im working to get gore on the maryland ballot. if we do it my vote definatly goes to al.

Edwards is my second. By the time the primaries roll around to my state though I'm not sure who will be left to vote for.

since Al Gore isn't running. I especially admire Kucinich's honesty, great Health Plan, and his wife, for her accomplishments (and her beauty is refreshing too).

but I gotta tell ya..I'm now leaning Kucinich! Bravo Dennis! Ya make us proud!

;)

I don't have one either, but if Gore runs, he's it. Kucinich is my next choice.

Answering The Call! ;)

Unless Al Gore runs.

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You cannot support Republican candidates on DU.

Nor should you ever want to, but that's your problem.

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And Edwards is an acceptable 2nd and who I'll probably cast my ballot with in the primes as I did in 2004 unless Dennis looks like he could pull it off. With enough of our votes he could. I'm a little worried that the Kucinich/Edwards voters will split support handing an easy win to Clinton though.

I won't mention my number 2 right now, but Dodd is growing on me. :hi:

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then a huge gap

then the rest of them

... If things are all sewn up by the time of my state's primary, I'll vote for Dennis just for the message.

Otherwise, I'll probably vote "to block" if need be. (In other words, it just depends on where things stand nationally and in my state.)

Kucinich is my #1
Edwards is my #2

I gave him $50 more today and I have a banner ad for him on the front page of my web site, even though that may drive away some RW customers.

( a two time * voter... :puke: ) that he respects the hell out of Dennis for his honesty and integrity. Albeit, he is still delusional and thinks Hillary is not Republican-lite. Yet, he does admit that Bush, Rummy and Cheney are the most arrogant, destructive fucks that this country has seen in quite some time.

The same goes for my husband. DK is getting our primary vote.

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Behind Al Gore.

and the only one.

He's honest, smart, brave and there's nothing about him that screams BULLY. I think he will be a great diplomat.

Love DK!:patriot: :loveya:

Had this sig for a while.

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Obama's embrace of Donnyboy was the last straw.

Dennis and Chris Dodd are the only ones standing up and defending the Constitution.

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I like Dennis and Edwards too.

Edwards is #2, and Gravel is #3.

(in the likely event that Al Gore continues not to be a candidate)

second only to the man who may not run

Voted for him in 2004 (then Kerry, to my chagrin - he did not fight).

Edwards has to my first pick, solely for the reason that he appears to be the more "electable" candidate. However, I am inclined to consider Dennis for the #1 slot should I come across some convincing polls...

unless Gore runs :(

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He's the only one willing to take the considerable risk of calling Cheney out as a criminal. The others, well-intentioned though some of them are, are enablers.

There is no one better than Dennis.

my #2 choice.

But we don't have a perfect world. Given the ugly reality of the MSM and Repuke machine coronating Hillary long before the first primary, I'm going to have to see where she, Obama, Edwards, Dodd, et. al. stand just prior to the California primary. Of course, if DK is way up there with any chance in Hell of taking the lead, I'll vote for DK. If, however, he's in the single digits, I'll be voting for anyone else who appears to have a chance of beating Hillary.

A Gore candidacy would, of course, make it easy. Gore would undoubtedly be ahead of the pack by the time California's turn comes around.

I want change! Not the same old BS!

he might still be my # 1.

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Gore, Kucinich, then (oddly enough) Richardson.

Okay with Gravel.

Mild positive feelings towards Dodd.

Negative towards Biden, Obama, and Edwards but
would (still) support them in the general Election.

Won't vote for Clinton, ever.

Tesha

I'll vote for him this primary season.

He has more than earned my vote, and he'll get it.

:loveya:Dennis!

All others pale in comparsion.

and currently the only one on my list.

At the very least!

Go, Dennis.

He is the best person for the job.

He has guts - the others dont

The man is honest and has guts.

number one for me!!!

He was #1 for me in 2004 as well. Only one that comes even remotely close to representing my politics.

No one else appears to be even at the level of acceptable, sadly. Thankfully Dennis makes up for all of them in one shot.

Impeach!

He alone embodies the urgency to reclaim our country while there is still time.

. . .because KUCINICH'S CHARACTER is FORMIDABLE.

ALL others are wheelers and dealers. . .with OUR best interests at stake.



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If we can Draft Gore!

I really like his message but he's got no chance.

We are constantly being told he is unelectable because he's TOO HONEST. He's also brave and stands for the very changes we all want. My daughter turns 18 in December and she can't wait to vote for Dennis Kucinich. She doesn't look at it as a throw-away vote. She looks at it as being a responsible American. Amazing how we can all learn from the mouths of babes!

wrong thread.

A great man.

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standing bravely and calmly before his congressfellows, standing TALL for US, Kucinich is now tied for my vote with Edwards. I will vote for either man. Secondly, I will vote wholeheartedly for the Democratic candidate who is running against Billary. At this point in time I would have a difficult struggle if I was living in Iowa and having to choose between John and Dennis.

And been that way since he came and spoke at a union meeting during my apprenticeship. He is pro-union/worker all the way.

Was in 2004, still is in 2008. I agree with his stance more than any of the others, and he's the ONLY ONE who doesn't seem to be in the corporate pocket...

Dennis is certainly my favorite ever since I read Dr. Greer's "Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge" book and year and a half ago! This book confirms the knowledge recently surfacing about Dennis' UFO siting. The sad thing is that people do not realize how important his sighting was to the bigger picture. Dennis understands the ties into the energy technology we have access to (in black-budget military projects), and to ambassadorship to our galactic friendlies! This book changed my life. I am SO glad Dennis was a part of it! :)

Namaste~
BJ

Here is a definition of a leader that I got way back in grad school. It resonates with me as much today as it did then. Unfortunately, I don't remember the source, but it goes like this:

A leader is someone who, grounded in hope, and together with followers, acts with courage to make an inauthentic situation authentic.

According to this definition, someone who rules by coercion is a despot, not a true leader. Nor does the title of leader bestow true leadership.

By this definition, Dennis Kucinich is the embodiment of a leader. In contrast, the lack of courage and apparent hopelessness the Democratic Party "leadership" is, in fact, serving to alienate would-be followers.

Actions speak louder than words. Kucinich has the guts to endure ridicule and dismisal in order to stand by his principles and his solemn oath to defend the Constitution. Kucinich understands that if you're willing to compromise your principles to curry favor, then you had no principles worth speaking of to begin with. Integrity is doing the right thing even when it's not popular. Leadership is about saying what people need to hear, not what they want to hear. And that's why he gets my vote even if it's a write-in.

I think he is the only candidate out there with ideas that will bring us back to sanity as a nation. I also think he's the only candidate who has shown the courage to take action on those things he espouses, like getting out of Iraq and in having universal health care. The man walks his talk.