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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:46 PM
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With $100 oil in sight, traders talk $110
Blogging Stocks says: "The market has discounted $100, and $110 looks like the next target." They also say "Globally, oil markets are well supplied"

Analysts from CNBC have been saying today that the real price of oil should be about $50-$60 a barrel. The extra is due to speculation of the energy hedge trade market.


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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:50 PM
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1. Thank God I get paid mileage at work. n/t
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:56 PM
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2. This is a bubble waiting to burst!
Edited on Wed Nov-07-07 06:57 PM by ben_meyers
It has happened before, oil hit record highs in the 70's and then fell to 10 bucks a barrel. Like any other speculative market, be it the dot.com's, real estate or gold, this too will pass, and the late arrivals will get burned.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:03 PM
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4. You are right
I'd go short if I had the money.

When the next worldwide recession hits (should be in the next 12 months), oil will tank
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:15 PM
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7. Go short if you like. I wouldn't.
The information and graphs here are from a summary of the Hirsch Report, which was commissioned (then promptly buried) by the Department of Energy:

EDIT

Oil Discoveries in Billions of Barrels 1930-2005
This chart, not part of the Hirsch Report but available on many oil statistic websites shows the oil discoveries in Billions of Barrels over the past 75 years. The big spikes are: late 30's Texas, late 40's Saudi Arabia, last tall spike in early 70's is the North Sea.



Oil Discoveries minus Production, we started using more that we discovered in the mid 80's
This chart, from the Hirsch Report and found on many oil statistics websites, shows production and consumption combined. As the chart shows for years the worlds oil companies found more oil than they were producing. But the picture goes into the red in the mid 80's. From that time to present we are using more oil than oil being discovered.



Same chart with Drilling Overlay, Yellow line = drilling.
More drilling worldwide did not stop the negative numbers. This is the same chart as above but also showing the feet of wildcat drilling for oil. This chart is used by many to show that more exploration world wide did not stop the numbers from remaining n the red. This chart is used by many experts to validate the notion that we have passed the era of cheap oil.



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From Hirsch's Congressional testimony:

EDIT

PRODUCTION PEAKING

World oil demand is forecast to grow 50 percent by 2025. To meet that
demand, ever-larger volumes of oil will have to be produced. Since oil production
from individual oil fields grows to a peak and then declines, new fields must be
continually discovered and brought into production to compensate for the
depletion of older fields and to meet increasing world demand. If large quantities
of new oil are not discovered and brought into production somewhere in the
world, then world oil production will no longer satisfy demand. Peaking means
that the rate of world oil production cannot increase; it does not mean that
production will suddenly stop because there will still be large reserves remaining.

As indicated in Table I, some forecasters believe that world oil production
peaking might occur very soon. Others argue that we may have more than a
decade of plentiful oil.

Until recently, OPEC assured the world that oil supply would continue to be
plentiful, but that position is changing. Some in OPEC are now warning that oil
supply will not be adequate to satisfy world demand in 10-15 years. Dr. Sadad
al-Husseini, retired senior Saudi Aramco oil exploration executive, is on record as
saying that the world is heading for an oil shortage; in his words “a whole new
Saudi Arabia (will have to be found and developed) every couple of years'' to
satisfy current demand forecasts. So the messages from the world’s
“breadbasket of oil” are moving from confident assurances to warnings of
approaching shortage.

EDIT

http://www.nyswda.org/LegPosition/HirschReport.htm




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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:34 PM
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9. As always, I am humbled by your efforts
I just don't have the taste for it any more.

Someone is going to have to be standing there with Hummers/Escalades/40 mi. commutes/no lifeboat/etc. when the music stops, and all I can do at this point is make sure that someone isn't me.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:34 PM
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10. I'm aware of the "Peak Oil" predictions,
and I wouldn't go short either because it's always a dangerous play. . However the point of the original post was that at this time oil supplies aren't short and the current price is being driven by speculators. I still think this bubble will burst.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:35 PM
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13. Well, I guess it depends on what "burst" means
From $100 down to $75-80, sure, very possible, particularly if real demand destruction takes place.

Of course, gasoline just officially went over One British Pound/liter, which is about $8.50/gallon, more or less, and no signs of demand destruction there just yet.

From $100 down to One Yergin Unit (i.e. $38 - his prediction for oil prices by Labor Day, 2007) - extremely unlikely, barring a planetary pandemic or global economic collapse.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 08:22 PM
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12. Good. It'll be nice to have cheaper gas again.
:crazy:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 06:58 PM
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3. Consider what this does to the price of the oil we're holding hostage
Iraq is supposed to have between 130 billion to 200 Billion barrels reserve. At

$30 a barrel:

3.9 trillion-6 trillion

$60 a barrel:

7.8 trillion-12 trillion

$110 a barrel:

14.3 Trillion-22 trillion

So, if Bushco gets 17 Trillion dollars just from the oil, how much do you think they care that they borrow 2 trillion from China to do it? Especially if we flip China the Middle finger later?
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:25 PM
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8. Producers don't get the stock market price
But yeah, there is a lot of money flowing through Iraq these days and that reserve they are sitting on is golden.

It is no wonder the Kurds are taking a shot by bypassing Iraq/Bush and setting up oil deals on their own.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:04 PM
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5. Oh, they are so short sighted.
Me, after $100, I'd think the next logical target is $200.

Good thing I don't have anything to do with the markets.
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necso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:05 PM
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6. Talk, collude, plot, conspire... whatever. /nt
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-07-07 07:53 PM
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11. that is about 40 cents on the dollar for dubya's cronies $120 a gollon. dont pay taxes on it either
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