Does anyone else think that MAYBE those Republicans who voted against tabling impeachment, might be

Does anyone else think that MAYBE, just maybe, some of those Republicans who voted against tabling impeachment talk, might NOT have done it as a political stunt to embarass the Democrats?

The articles I've been reading imply that the only reason the Republicans did this is so that they can let the Dems make fools of themselves.

But is it possibile that's a cover, and some of the people in the Republican party are just as sick of Cheney and the damage he's doing to our country and their party as we are?

It seems they might have been playing with fire if their real sole intention was to embarass the Democrats. I don't think that's where we're headed. Wexler wants to escalate the discussion and give it a fair shake, which would surely bring a lot of issues to light that the Republicans would rather not see discussed on TV.

I have to wonder, if some of those Republicans voted against tabling the impeachment discussion, for reasons other than what the media is telling us. Maybe they want to let this thing procede, and they see there is a cancer in their party and they wouldn't mind seeing it removed. Saying it was a political stunt to embarrass the Dems would be a good political cover for their real motivations.

Wishful thinking?

I'm sure there are more than a few repubs who would like to see Cheney step down "for health reasons".

They have no integrity and agree with every single thing Cheney has done. Voting against tabling was nothing more than a stunt.

you opponent's political party by denigrating one of the heads of your own party. The whole stunt didn't make Cheney look any better. In fact it made him look worse.

widely unpopular. it was political gamesmanship.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/republicans-keep-cheney-impeachment-bill-alive-2007-11-06.html

Republicans keep Cheney impeachment bill alive
By Jonathan E. Kaplan | Posted: 11/6/07 4:35 p.m.
November 06, 2007

House Republicans on Tuesday prevented Democratic leaders from blocking a resolution to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.


The vote to table the privileged resolution, offered by Ohio Democrat Dennis Kucinch, began as a largely party-line vote to kill the measure, but Republicans developed a strategy to force Democrats to debate the resolution by supporting Kucinich. GOP leaders felt as though it was in their interest to debate the measure because it would make Democrats look bad.

After more than an hour of waiting for the vote to close, the motion to table the resolution failed by a vote of 162-251 after Democratic leaders failed to convince a group of liberal caucus members to side with them.

Republican lawmakers and aides credited Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) for coming up with the idea.

Even if that is the intention - to make the Dems look bad - I don't really see the logic there. How does it make the dems look bad, if there ends up being an open investigation into high crimes of the Vice President. Even if he doesn't get impeached, the investigation will not help the Republican Party.

if it was a political move, I think it was dumb and it could backfire.

"Republican lawmakers and aides credited Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) for coming up with the idea."


I do think it backfired because now there will hopefully be a hearing on it.

media... republican party... all the same thing. doesn't mean that was their true motivation.

either way I think it was stupid. voting is not supposed to be for silly political games. if it backfires they deserve it. I hope it backfires in their face and this Shandegg dude will be the one looking like a fool.

That would require decency, which we all know, is lacking in the dem party.

I suggest you take a look at the list of repukes who voted against tabling. the most criminal complicit bush boosters of all.

On the one hand, they can assert their vote was merely to embarass the Democrats.

BUT, if the investigation goes forward and all hell breaks loose, they can assert what you said,...that, they wanted to get the "cancer" out of their party.

If they actually vote to impeach Cheney it might still boil down to that but I won't hold my breath with that crowd.

They always vote as a monolythic block. This vote was no different...their first inclination was to squash it. Someone from on high obviously thought it might be good PR to allow it to proceed, so they rushed back and started to change their vote.

I don't expect Republicans to do the right thing on this issue, but I do wonder why our Democratic leadership are equally loathe to debate these articles of impeachment in Congress. I suspect that there is an unspoken fear that this administration will do something nuts, like nuke Iran or take some other equally reckless unilateral action in response. Since I believe they have committed capital crimes, their actions to avoid accountability could be extreme in the hopes of jump starting the civil conditions necessary to declare martial law. Hope I'm being paranoid, but I cannot fathom any other reason why Democrats are unwilling to do their Constitutional duty.

for elections, at least, one of the grandest gestures they could make is to move the debate forward - so everybody facing an election year can go on record saying "I'm NOT with Mr. 19%" When the vote stops the process they can easily put it back on the Dem majority. And the establishment Dems fighting this all the sudden look like they're okay with Cheney. Now Dems in congress own just as much of the Bush problem as their GOP counterparts.

Just like they own Iraq, too.

at the same time seeing as they didn't begin by voting against tabling, they started CHANGING their vote, originally for tabling, in the middle of the vote.

So, ummmmm, I would say NO chance in hell they were doing anything other than screwing with the Democrats AND the American public as usual.

it was overwhelmingly being voted against. it was not until the first vote was completed that rebugs started switching votes from tabling to debating.

they switched their votes on orders from the leadership.

If this investigation reveals all of the criminal wrongdoing that we all know is there, the GOP will say "See, we supported this all along..." If Cheny is indeed impeached, another win for those who supported this. If the cronies in the Judiciary let Cheny walk, you'll see a shit-storm thrown at the Dem's like we've never seen before. I must admit that this was a clever move on the part of the GOP. They've covered their asses real good. They must either be really afraid that the investigation will result in impeachment, (good for us all), so they've scampered to be on the side that's going to look good, or they know Cheny will get out of jail free card this whole fucking thing, (most likely). They would beat that to death in 08.

after all the critters would like to keep their seats I would bet. By doing nothing it really looks bad on the repukes more so than the democrats imo

dennis started the ball rolling the other day and it won't be stopped and it'll only move slow at the beginning. I watched nixon's fall and I'll see bushco's* fall as sure as I'm setting here

Cheney's got an 11% approval rating. To whom will they be pandering by helping to prop the criminal up? Maybe they're sick of being blackmailed into voting for every stupid POS proposal he crams down their throats. This gives them cover when they go back to face their constituents.

It's possible. Anything is possible at this point. Even a Democrat growing a spine, though while possible, is still pretty unlikely.

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has entered my head as well. Cheney is universally loathed and is a millstone around their political necks. Why WOULDN'T they want him thrown off the bus?

facing the election cycle were not trying to run away from Cheney/Bush, particularly when given cover by this 'clever attack'.

See what they say about it in 6 mos.

it as a "losing" resolution, changed their votes to FOR tabling?

Yes, you are engaged in total wishful thinking.

This country deserves better than our congress continaully covering up for crmiminals.

The RNC knows this and has something on each and every one of these freaks. That is the only reason they are there to begin with.

Don