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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:44 PM
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House Dems Introduce Anti-Torture Bill
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/004671.php

House Dems Introduce Anti-Torture Bill
By Spencer Ackerman - November 8, 2007, 3:32PM


On the heels of today's torture hearings in a House Judiciary subcommittee, Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), the subcommittee chairman, and Rep. William Delahunt (D-MA) have introduced a bill to force all American interrogators to conform to the Geneva Conventions-compliant standards of the Army Field Manual on Interrogation (pdf). That would mean no waterboarding, no "cold cells," no stress positions -- none of that stuff that Malcolm Nance and Steve Kleinman testified doesn't work anyway.

Under current law -- Sen. John McCain's (R-AZ) 2005 Detainee Treatment Act -- torture is (once again) prohibited, but the law's provisions don't apply outside the U.S. military. The CIA still, in principle, can employ "enhanced interrogation" techniques, waterboarding being among the most infamous. In September, CIA Director Mike Hayden resisted bringing CIA interrogations in line with the Army Field Manual, telling the Council on Foreign Relations, "I don't know of anyone who has looked at the Army Field Manual who could make the claim that what's contained in there exhausts the universe of lawful interrogation techniques consistent with the Geneva Convention." Michael Mukasey echoed that sentiment during his confirmation hearings.

The Nadler-Delahunt bill, called the American Anti-Torture Act of 2007, would indeed make the field manual exhaustive of that "universe of lawful interrogation techniques."

In a statement, Delahunt said, "The use of torture and so-called 'enhanced' interrogation -- such as waterboarding -- contradicts our commitment to the rule of law and basic human decency." Their bill complements a Senate measure sponsored by Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) and Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE).

Of course, even if the bills pass, and for some reason President Bush signs them, Bush could easily attach a signing statement saying he'll ignore them when he wants to, as he did with the McCain torture bill.

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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:45 PM
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1. Great. Now let's see if it passes! (nm)
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:46 PM
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2. Will this mean that * will be grandfathered in against charges of war crimes (torture)?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:49 PM
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4. I don't know why he wouldn't be subjected to charges now unless
he's given himself immunity. :shrug: Even though the Geneva Convention has been ignored, it wasn't cancelled AFAIK.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:57 PM
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7. This thread by kpete is why I ask:
Senate moves to confirm Mukasey as AG By LAURIE KELLMAN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - The Senate moved to confirm Michael Mukasey as the nation's newest attorney general Thursday despite differences over his position on the legality of harsh interrogation of terrorism suspects.

..............

"He felt that he could not make that pronouncement without placing people at risk to be sued or perhaps even criminally prosecuted," said Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071109/ap_on_go_co/senate_... ;_ylt=AiW0iTe7JUJrjgRIaFsnq0Os0NUE

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:00 PM
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8. Ah, I understand. Wish I had an answer. nt
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:02 PM
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9. I just hope certain Dems who are pushing away from impeaching * aren't working
to shelter what he has done.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:09 PM
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10. Sadly, that wouldn't surprise me.
:(
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:48 PM
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3. I don't even know what country I live in any more.
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fedupinBushcountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:51 PM
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5. Sign the petition
Full text of the bill also http://action.johnkerry.com/endtorture">End Torture

Also Senator Kerry had a diary at Dkos on this yesterday and answers questions http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/11/7/908/72619">Fighting to Stop Torture (Updated3x)
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 10:52 PM
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6. A needed answer, regardless of the Mukasey vote.
The UCMJ, as noted, bans torture - it's the CIA and perhaps the FBI that's getting a pass on this treatment.

A clear vote on this as a stand alone issue is a good step.

what an understatement...
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:17 PM
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11. If every method of Torture wasn't listed this Bill won't do a thing.
Busolini will veto it or do a singing statement on it. There is only one solution.

Impeach Cheney, then Busholini.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:28 PM
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12. Kick. n/t
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-08-07 11:48 PM
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13. Regardless of whether this passes
-- and if it does, Bush** will just invent another loophole -- the Dems will hold this up as proof of how hard they're working. Paired with the uncontested confirmation of "I'm an experienced judge who doesn't know if waterboarding is torture but make me AG anyway" Mukasey, all I can say is What. Utter. Bullshit.
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