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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:43 AM
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"More than 8 in 10 Republicans and more than 1/2 married men definitely wouldn't vote for Clinton"
Another poll that suggest 'electability obstacles' if Clinton becomes the Democratic Nominee. Link provided below:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-11-07-clinton-poll_N.htm


Poll: Clinton lags in quest for male voters
USA Today Poll

"More than eight in 10 Republicans and more than half the married men in a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll say they definitely wouldn't vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton for president."

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"In a general election, the poll suggests that Clinton has the least potential for winning votes from Republicans — 84% say they definitely would not vote for her, compared with six in 10 for either Obama or Edwards."

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"The poll found that 36% of women wouldn't vote for Clinton, compared with 50% of men — and 55% of married men. Obama had comparable appeal to women and more to men. Clinton's appeal overall falls as income rises, the reverse of the findings for Obama."

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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:48 AM
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1. WOW!
Shouldn't that read-

Amazing! Hillary gets 20% of republican vote and 50% of male vote!
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:54 AM
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2. As has been posted on the several other threads about this...
so what... they wouldn't have voted for a Democrat anyway.
Male voters and Republicans have never been where our strength is.

Also.. I'd wait a little while. I bet when the final months are here, those figures will change.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:58 AM
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4. As a 'married male' I think you are WRONG saying "(we) won't vote for a Dem anyway"...
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 09:58 AM by Blackhatjack
Married males and males as a whole make up a substantial portion of the Democratic Party, and vote in higher overall numbers than female members of the Democratic Party.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 09:56 AM
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3. awesome. nt.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:03 AM
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5. If Clinton is the Dem Nominee she is going to have to improve on the 'married men' numbers to win...
I personally do not think gender should enter into the decisionmaking process in deciding who would be the best candidate to become the Democratic Nominee.

However, polling continues to reveal a weakness Clinton has with 'married men' as a demographic group, and the high numbers of female voters attracted to Clinton will not offset this problem at the polls unless she finds a way to reach this group.

Her campaign strategists need to be working on this problem now, not after she becomes the Dem Nominee if she intends to win the General Election.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:16 AM
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6. Good for them did the borrow bush's codpiece
seems like the machoism is showing....a redneck is a redneck is a redneck. He wants his woman bare foot and in the kitchen.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:20 AM
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7. Fact is that about the same number of morons wouldn't vote for ANY Dem n/t
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:28 AM
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8. Oh, so I guess I won't be voting for her then if she's the Democratic nominee.
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 10:29 AM by butlerd
Can't win, don't try. Might as well let the GOP have another 4 years in the WH.
:sarcasm:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 10:43 AM
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9. While Hillary is NOT my first choice, if she becomes the Dem Nominee I want her to WIN...
She has more than enough money to hire the very best political strategists so why are they not advising her to begin approaching this very important demographic now, not after she wins the Democratic Nomination?

As a political strategist the first thing you look at is what groups are definitely going to vote against you no matter what you do. You substract that percentage from the expected overall number of voters. THen you identify the groups that will vote for you no matter what. Then you look at what is left.

So for example, if 20% will definitely vote against you and 20% will definitely vote for you, that leaves 60% of expected overall voters --from which you must extract 30% plus 1 vote to reach a majority(assuming an independent 3rd party candidate does not siphon off votes in the general election).

To get that 30% plus 1 vote you have to build a coalition of voting blocks that identify with and are attuned to particular issues and alienated by certain issues. That is what Karl Rove did in past Bush elections by getting 'gay marriage' initiatives on the ballot in the various states --which brought one-issue voters out to the polls and benefitted Repubs.

Once you have identified the voting blocks you are going for that give you a 50% plus 1 vote, the next step is to build a cushion by reaching beyond to those who 'might' vote for your candidate, and work not to inflame those who oppose your candidate but are unlikely to actually vote.

The 'male' and 'married male' polling numbers that go against Clinton are not united in just one issue --there are many different reasons for members of this demographic group to be inclined not to vote for Clinton. Her political strategists must have delved into this and know what those reasons are and begin to lower those numbers.

So far there is no indication that Clinton is getting that kind of information or that her campaign is acting on that information. That is more worrisome than the actual polled numbers at this point.

Let me repeat... if Clinton is the nominee, I want her to win.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 11:20 AM
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10. polls are made to be skewed ... Rush always points that out ... "it's in the way
the polls are phrased" ...

When I got phone calls from "surveys", I hung up when the word ABORTION was used ... because I knew right then and there it was not a scientific poll ...
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