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ecstatic

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:15 PM
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Man uses taser on carjacker and gets shot (by a real gun) at least 5 times!

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 03:16 PM by Truth Hurts A Lot

An Atlanta man who tried to fend off an armed carjacker by using a stun gun gun was shot at least five times by the gunman Wednesday afternoon.

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The carjacker jumped in, ordered the man to drive and demanded his money, police said. The man, while trying to reach for his money, also pulled out his stun gun and zapped the carjacker.

The gunman reacted by shooting the man at least five times, Keyes said. The van, which was still in motion, crashed into a tree and the carjacker ran away.

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Following that incident, Atlanta police sent out some safety tips that included the following suggestion: "If you are confronted GIVE UP THE VEHICLE. NO MATTER WHAT...

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"Make the situation safe for you. You know you have to get away from that person. Just try to give the car up," she said.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2007/11/07/carjack_1108_web.html

Good news. It looks like the car owner will survive. The carjacker is still on the loose.

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gateley

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:27 PM
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1. Good reminder. Tasers probably give the user a false sense of security. nt

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slackmaster

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:07 PM
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16. Tasers are tools for inducing compliance, not for self-defense

They are appropriate in some situations for police doing jobs that only police have any business doing.

If you find yourself in a situation where you think a Taser might be the right tool, you should be calling the police instead of trying to take care of the problem yourself.

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gateley

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:31 PM
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18. Or running for my life. Again, excellent advice! nt

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The Straight Story

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:28 PM
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2. Don't bring a taser to a gun fight

:)

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virginia mountainman

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:30 PM
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3. Should have had a REAL personal defense product...

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 03:31 PM by virginia mountainman

Instead of a "bug zapper" If he had time to reach for his taser, he had time to reach for something a "bit more effective".

My family depends on the tried and true, 1911 Government Model .45 ACP. My wife and I, BOTH own and carry them (Virginia CCW permits). And we would not depend our lives on anything less.

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gratuitous

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:35 PM
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4. Good thinking

Because someone's life is worth less than any of my possessions.

Christ.

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virginia mountainman

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:40 PM
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5. Problem with that line of thought is..

Many times they are not happy with just our possessions. Sometimes they want much more, many times they are just out to kill....

My life, and the life of my family, will not depend on a criminal benevolence to survive.

Do YOU, depend on their benevolence??

How much is YOUR life, or your loved ones life worth to you???

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:55 PM
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7. That may fly in the Virginia mountains (and I'm sure does)... but-

I'd say the safe thing to do was do lock the door as soon as the guy got in his car,

I used to think about carrying a gun... even got training for it when I was in some shadey neighborhoods, I'm glad I didn't go through with the registration process. I was good at target practice, but I'd have either killed someone or would have been "slow on the draw" - either way, BANG somebody's DEAD.

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NYVet

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Fri Nov-09-07 04:39 PM
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9. And bullets don't go through windows...

Sorry, but I carry something slightly smaller than the tried and true .45.
S&W .40 with one always in the chamber. Had to pull it once in the past 10 years, but I was glad I had it.

My neice and sister were staying at the house and someone decided that they were going to break into the house. They jimmied the window in the room my neice was staying in and woke her up. She came running down the hall screaming, they followed her, and met me in the hallway with gun in hand.

Never seen someone stop so fast in my life. It also took local law enforcement almost 15 minutes to arrive.

And before you ask, my weapon is either out of the reach of children or on my person at all times.

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-09-07 04:54 PM
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10. I'm not saying someone else can't because I choose not to, but look at what happened here...

If you're gonna defend yourself, then take a course (like I did). Then, and only then, could I have made a choice to incorporate a gun into my life, which I didn't.

The guy who decided to defend himself against the carjacker with a taser was able to go into a store and buy it, no course or registration required, You (as a Vet?) determined the competence of your weapon and if it could serve you well,

When are we gonna make some hard and fast rules which lend itself into correct training and use for where, how and when you decide to defend yourself, whether rural or city. And, when are we going to hold a standard as to how the cops can use tasers?

I'm glad you know the rules. You have more guts than I do,

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slackmaster

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:04 PM
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13. MrMickeysMom is making a lot of sense here

Most states require proof of training before you qualify for a concealed firearm permit. Anyone who wishes to deploy any kind of weapon for self-defense really should be trained, not only on use of the weapon but in the law.

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NYVet

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:15 PM
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17. True.

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:16 PM by NYVet

Dumb people get Darwin awards.

This guy is a Darwin award nominee for playing with the wrong tools without the required training.

I carry, but each and every day I thank the powers that be that I do not need to use it. However, I also thank the powers that be, that if the time comes, I have the skills and the ability to defend myself and those that I have a duty to protect.

On Edit.

I misread your post and then posted in haste. Going back and reading it again, your post made a logical point and I do apologize for the snark in my last reply to you.

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-09-07 09:30 PM
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20. Oh, think nothing of it...

Twern't as snarky as I've been here, besides, I respect a good debate (not like the candidate name calling stuff of late)

Hey, you know that water boarding video loop they keep showing where the ex-Navy Seal / reporter gets it demo'd on Keith Olberman? It's beginning to hit home after seeing it for the 10th time or something on how this is indeed near drowning.

Maybe a tasering demo might have a similar message. (or is that too macabre?)

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ecstatic

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:42 PM
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19. I can see where you're coming from on this

I HATE when one person gets to play judge, jury, and executioner... However, in this day and age, when carjackers/robbers are so willing to shoot and kill even when the victim hands everything over, I think they have made themselves fair game for shoot first/think later types.

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riverdeep

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Fri Nov-09-07 11:23 PM
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23. When someone pulls a gun on you, they can take your property AND your life.

You never know what can happen. When it happens, you have to assume the worst. But that's a choice made in a split second and you have to decide if it will end in giving up your property, or if it can escalate. I'm not going to second-guess people who HAVE BEEN PLACED in that position against their will.

BTW, most people who have to pull a gun on someone aren't living out a Charles Bronson fantasy. It's a terrible, often traumatic moment-even when they have every justification to do so. Many wind up having nightmares, and the legal hassles can be nightmarish and expensive.

But it's better than the alternative.

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charlie

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:56 PM
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8. Call now, operators are standing by

"Get a .45" will do. Making a post into a ad man's copy is... weird.

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slackmaster

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:06 PM
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14. Ed aims to please and so does Louise so don't hide arms, get sidearms at Aim's Guns!

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:09 PM by slackmaster

30102 East Rhode Island School of Design Terrorist in Yucaipa!

(Apologies to the Firesign Theatre.)

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-09-07 03:50 PM
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6. This makes a point of my previous argument here- COPS taser okay, US, not okay

"Anyone can buy a taser", the DUer poster said, when my point was, "This is a deadly force against the 13 year old with a filty mouth who was tased by an off duty cop "patrolling the neighborhood" during trick or treating.

So, not only do we have off duty cops who don't know how to de-escalate a situation with tasers versus what 2 cops could have done with a 13 yr old, but we don't give a shit who buys them and allows deadly escallation on their own.

This is turning into a bad, bad situation, citizens... :-(

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slackmaster

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:00 PM
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11. Another proud DU vote for "Don't bring a Taser to a gun fight"

Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:02 PM by slackmaster

Don't bring a fork to a knife fight, either.

Fundamentally a Taser has no legitimate purpose for anyone who is not in law enforcement. You have no business interfering with another person's behavior unless it is a threat to life or limb. If that is the case, you are justified in using deadly force.

Civilians who want to carry a weapon for defense should stick to firearms and edged weapons, not compliance tools.

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The Stranger

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:01 PM
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12. "Don't tase me, Bro!"

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Marr

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Fri Nov-09-07 05:06 PM
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15. A taser or a stun gun?

I've been stun gunned before, and all that does it piss you off. I thought tasers were debilitating.

I see it says stun gun the article-- that was incredible of the guy.

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MrMickeysMom

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Fri Nov-09-07 09:32 PM
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21. Do tell - what is the difference?

Can you detail voltage and other details?

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benEzra

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Fri Nov-09-07 10:39 PM
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22. AFAIK, the main difference is that the taser shoots electrodes to a (short) distance

whereas some other stun guns are direct-contact-only. Quality probably varies as well.

Even with a real taser, it is almost certain that a Taser-equipped officer would NOT use the Taser if someone pulled a .38 on him/her, but would almost certainly respond with a grapple and a close-range shot from a handgun. As others have said, a Taser is more of a compliance tool than a weapon.

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mvccd1000

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Sat Nov-10-07 04:21 AM
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25. Stun gun does not equal Taser.

I agree with Marr. The $20 stun guns you can buy on ebay that run off of a 9v battery won't stop a house cat. We used to hit each other with them for fun, and they aren't even really a distraction. Get on youtube and watch a couple of videos of people being tased. Different effect entirely.

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Codeine

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Fri Nov-09-07 11:40 PM
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24. Commercially available tasers are mostly crap.

My friends and I used to take turns zapping each other when we were young and stupid; it's disorienting, painful, and unpleasant but not debilitating. It's not too much for a determined attacker to shrug off.

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