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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:23 PM
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Mike Gravel left out of the CNN debates, media screams silence!
Fresh on the heels of MSNBC's exclusion of Senator Mike Gravel from last week's Philadelphia debate, we now hear that CNN has cut the Senator from its November 15 debate in Las Vegas. Like MSNBC, CNN's justification comes down to one ugly factor: MONEY.

CNN says Mike must meet three criteria:

* Form a federal exploratory committee and officially declare his candidacy. (He did.)

* Poll at 1% or above. (He does.)

* Raise at least $1 million in individual contributions since January 1, 2007. (He has not.)

Once again, MONEY decides who gets to participate in America's political debates.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:26 PM
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1. I met him last month
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 05:26 PM by Mojorabbit
He makes a lot of sense and is much calmer in person.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:27 PM
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2. SCOTUS decided that money=speech n/t
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:45 PM
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6. Supreme Court case Buckley v. Valeo. See also Santa Clara County v. Southern Pac. Railroad.
The Santa Clara case is the one cited most often as the origin of corporate personhood. Buckley simply solidified it further.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:27 PM
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3. Depending on the poll, he doesn't poll at 1 percent or above either, so it's not just about money.
n/t
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:33 PM
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5. going by the CNN poll he does
CNN/Opinion Research Corporation Poll. Nov. 2-4, 2007. N=467 registered voters nationwide who are Democrats or independents who lean to the Democratic Party. MoE ± 4.5.

.

"Please tell me which of the following people you would be most likely to support for the Democratic nomination for president in the year 2008 . . . ." Names rotated. For 10/07 and earlier, includes second choices of Gore supporters.

.

11/2-4/07 10/12-14/07 9/7-9/07 8/6-8/07
% % % %
Hillary Clinton
44
51
46
44

Barack Obama
25
21
23
24

John Edwards
14
15
16
16

Bill Richardson
4
4
5
5

Joe Biden
3
1
2
3

Christopher Dodd
2
1
-
-

Dennis Kucinich
2
1
3
2

Mike Gravel
1
1
1
-

Unsure
5
7
3
6

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starmaker Donating Member (520 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:27 PM
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4. The most charismatic candidate
telling truths the media cannot control with live tv
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:49 PM
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7. I'm relieved to see him out of there.
He's not a serious candidate. I agree that money is a crap criterion. By if you just use the first two criteria, you'd have to invite Stephen Colbert to any South Carolina debates.

Gravel had a point to make. He made it. He quit adding anything substantive to the debate months ago.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:00 PM
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10. youre right! anybody shouldnt be able to run for president
Edited on Fri Nov-09-07 06:01 PM by iamthebandfanman
only people who already have power and money should be able to run!
wow, why didnt i think of that...


live in nazi germany lately?
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:58 PM
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12. Even if he had the money, they would still only give him 2 stupid...
questions and then completely ignore him on their broadcasts. Think of how many congressmen and senators there are out there and most have no clue who they are. He is just another candidate that has been blacked out and will never be any higher in the polls because he doesn't have the national advertising the other candidates get from the MSM. In the 2004 elections, I was uninformed like many and I had no idea who Dennis Kucinich was. Luckily he has scraped his way and isn't being cropped out of debate pictures anymore. People will tell you that they don't get coverage because of their poll results but its the other way around, they don't get the poll results because they get no national advertising like those who lead the polls.
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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 06:18 PM
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11. I agree. You shouldn't need money or "power", but if you can't get 3% by THIS time...
Folks, this isn't the first debate. What is it? The 99th?

After all the debates he HAS participated in, doing nothing more than sniping at the others and the "system", his kooky suggestions, etc....

If after all of these debates, if he had anything people wanted to hear, his poll numbers would be higher, and his fund raising would be better too...
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:53 PM
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8. Much ado about nothing.
We have the best leadership money can buy.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 05:58 PM
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9. Those are extremely low thresholds.
The first 2 are the easiest. The third might be more difficult. Gravel has only raised $238,000. That's extremely low. http://opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp

My feeling are that 1 and 2 are valid. The third is debatable.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:01 PM
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13. well that sucks
:(

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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-09-07 07:35 PM
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14. This is totally wrong
MSM shouldn't be allowed to just make up arbitrary criteria as they go in order to exclude candidates they don't like. Purposely taking measures to limit our choices is very close to deliberate interference with a public election. People should be talking about this.
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