I don't give a damn about 2008 and who is elected if bush & Cheney walk free.

What part of "the rule of law" does Pelosi, Hoyer, Wasserman Schultz, Schummer,
Reid, Rockefeller, Wasserman Schultz, Dianne Feinstein, and others not get?

They lied us into a war, stole 2 elections, committed treason w/ Plame's outing,
spied on us, let bin Laden walk, allowed the Taliban to regain power, and suppport
killing the supportive capacity of the earth for a buck and you want to make nice
w/ them?

No President and Vice President have deserved impeachment more than bush &
Cheney and yet all I hear is empty excuses about timing and the people's business.
Wanna help stop the war? How about going after the man behind starting it?
Dick Cheney ..... his WHIG White House Iraq Group and his Office of Special Plans
in the Pentagon helped sell the lie we need to invade Iraq.

Tell her how she's going to get enough support in the House to start Impeachment hearings, hold those hearings, bring Articles of Impeachment (Kucinich's will do), get those passed, have a trial in the Senate, (presided over by John Roberts, BTW) and convince 67 Senators to vote to convict. Repeat the process for President Bush.

In 14 months. During an election year, when all 435 Representatives are campaigning for their jobs. Remember the Blue Dogs come from very conservative parts of the country.

which is why I like reading your posts.

Your analysis is spot-on. :thumbsup:

Lying to start a war is 100% toxic ... use it.

And it does not matter what part of the country one comes from ...
Iraq was and is wrong and so was letting bin Laden walk.

I don't see the point.

Start the hearings in committee, its not rocket science. As the evidence becomes public, members of Congress will have no choice but to follow up. The public will likely demand it.

If you watched the House vote on Kucinich's impeachment resolution closely the other day, you would have noticed that prior to the Republicans sudden swing to vote against tabling it, there was signficant bipartisan support for continuing the debate.

Methinks that's why the GOP suddenly changed course, not to lay a trap for Dems as they claimed, but to hide the fact that a growing number of members were changing their mind.

Those dynamics on the GOP side make sense.

I still think it's too late in the game for impeachment. I'd rather have the investigations and prosecute them criminally when they are out of office.

If I am to remain a democrat, something has to happen before the election or some remedy forthcoming after or its my last in that designation. But I intend to be a democrat through this election so that I can try one more time to get progressives or traditional democrats elected. No republican can be allowed to take office as POTUS under present conditions. After that all bets are off. I'll be a progressive independent. I'm being honest and I've worked for this party many many years.

They some from traditional GOP strongholds and it's a freaking miracle their constituents voted Dem at all in 2006.

according to how repubican their opinion and outlook is. If that were true, there would be no reason for their republican opponent not to win (they would go with the genuine article). I think people were looking for change when they voted the democrats in.

They still want conservative, just a more responsible conservative.

And even with that overwhelming vote, it took from February until May to get the hearings started. There's three of your 14 months right there.

And where did I even imply that I supported Bush, Nixon or Cheney? I'm pointing out to the impeachbots how impractical, if not impossible, it would be. There are other roads to justice than impeachment.

Take your Nixon comment and shove it up your ass.

but you know what... the HOUSE refered it to Commitee by MAJORITY vote

I guess Kucinich was better at this

You'll get impeachment when the humpback whales fly. Why don't you rail impotently against that, too?

Without accountability nothing else matters...If you don't support the Constitution then what is it all about?

I think impeachment is impractical, and justice can be served in other ways.

Have Bush/Cheney committed impeachable offenses? Yes or no?

If yes, the impeaching them is not optional. Upholding the
Constitution and fulfilling their oath demands that Bush and
Cheney at least be indicted, then tried.

It's not about politics. The Dems are making people angrier
at them because they are playing politics and refusing to do
the right thing.

If they had to worry about the effect on their election campaigns every time they went to arrest a suspect, we'd be in deep shit.

Oh, kinda like WE ARE because the cops in Congress won't do their job.

has a daunting task before them. That's why it's so important to get it right!

And these pieces of human excrement who accomplished so many negatives, who have blood running, who made a farce of our Constitution, need to be held to account for their actions.

will likely sweep it under the proverbial rug and pretend it never happened.

And that's not to mention that the Criminal in Chief stole the white house from Al Gore, and shouldn't have been there in the first place.
However, we have to care about 2008. Can you say President Guiliani?

KY & VA went blue. The job of congress is to do their jobs as per the Constitution
not to make sure they get re-elected.

despite what boobirds like you keep pushing....

and four out of ten want their rep out... by the way usually it is two in ten

So don't count on that...

Or you may feel the wall of bricks falling down.. called reality

I would think the opposite is true.

I think the reservations about rather or not it would be successful and right now there just aren't the votes to convict. If they get handed an acquittal, that would be a disaster.

its been debunked many times. You don't need the majority of votes to start the investigation.

I'd like to see bush and cheney impeached, but regardless, it's vital to increase the dem majority in both houses, and elect a dem as president. Then we will see change: Habeas restore, the troops returning from Iraq, SCHIP passed, Guantanamo closed, a saner foreign policy, progress on climate change, environmental action, taxes raised on the wealthy, etc. And those things count to me every bit as much as impeaching bush/cheney.

Will every future president who breaks the law say when challenged: So what? Bush and Cheney were never held accountable (not just via impeachment).

We can restore all the laws, install a Democratic president and hope for the best.

Still, what happens if and when there is Republican president?

doesn't qualify 'now'?!

That's the way I see it, at least.

If the American people wake up, and America returns and becomes what it should be, then Bush and Cheney can walk into the sunset holding hands, as far as I'm concerned.

I've always felt that there was a bigger picture than punishment. After all, those who commit crimes are often their own punishment.

Let's keep working on America. Bush and Cheney have distracted us enough. Oh, and I'm totally committed to impeachment.

And I totally understand your thoughts. It would be fun to see them hang. Sort of. But if they did hang, and America was still smouldering, what good would that do.

If they impeach Chaney, BUsh will appoint a new VP, then when Bush is impeached the VP steps in and replaces him, and appoints a new VP. People may decide to give these people a chance of their own. So I would rather see Bush//Cheney tried for war crimes by some of the countries abroad. Could be some in Congress are thinking along those lines.

Or at least for GW, since *he'll* pardon the lot of 'em the day before he leaves office.
HRC will then pardon dubya or at least "not pursue investigations for the sake of moving the country forward" or some such bullshit, just like her sainted husband did with Poppy.

all the way to the bank.)

Bill Clinton didn't bother with past abuses when he had the chance (think BCCI, Iran Contra, Marc Rich, Mena Airport) so why should we expect different from HRC?

We need a leader who is willing to REALLY CLEAN UP THE MESS KNOWN AS BFEE!

doesn't matter who gets elected if they do not face judgment then america is a joke.