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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:51 AM
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Comcast weirdness. was this censorship?
was watching Comedy Central right now, i believe David(?) Byrne's Stand Up special. and as we just came back from a regular sized commercial break, Bryrne starts up again and quickly sets up into talking about his brother who just came back from Iraq. and then it cuts into commercial in mid-sentence, shows 1-2 commercials (not a normal sized break) and then comes back right at the very end of that brother-from-Iraq set. rather surreal and uncomfortable especially since this week my class was doing 1984 & Animal Farm.

so, i'm curious. anyone else from SF Bay Area who was watching the same show catch that or am i hallucinating? any other opinions whether this is censorship?
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:53 AM
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1. You bet it was....it happens in small sometimes unnoticable
increments...like cutting away when a comedian is speaking negatively about the war....

Have you seen V-Vendetta yet? If you like 1984 you will like the movie.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:01 AM
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15. yup, saw 'V for Vendetta'
fun movie. could've been tighter in the post production and editing, though. yet overall entertaining.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 01:57 AM
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2. if it's Tivo'd, save it
To me, it sounds deliberate -- the timing is too perfect.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:02 AM
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3. All progressives should dump their cable and go to Dish
and when you drop off the gear at the cable office , WRITE on the paperwork, WHY you are dumping them :)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:11 AM
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4. Did you hear about the Ron Paul interview interrupted by DoD *standby* screen?
it was very very odd.

here's a link to it. It's over the top weird.

yes it's censorship in my opinion.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:11 AM
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5. ooopsie. here's the link. sorry for the ommission.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:34 AM
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7. Holy crap. Lends a lot of weight to what Paul was saying...
"We don't have any threaten from a foreign country attacking..."

I'll tell you, after that, its not a foreign government I feel threatened by!!!
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:38 AM
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9. It was an incredible moment of lucidy & perspective about our 'war on terrah'
but of course it was probably just one of those "coincidences" we're not supposed to notice..
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:42 AM
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11. Yeah, its really something when the reality of it all hits you in the gut, eh?
Though it may be the case here that we were very much supposed to notice...
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Naturyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:45 AM
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14. More Paul-promoting going on in here, eh? (nt)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:41 AM
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16. The subject matter was censorship
I offered another example of it ... which happened to involve Ron Paul. if you must know, I'm a life-long Democrat and/or Green and/or Independent. I intend to vote for Kucinich for Prez. That said .. and speaking of censorship ...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:30 AM
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6. That looked like a tag that they put at the beginning of a presser to identify it.
It could have just as easily been a screwup.

If DOD was going to CENSOR something, they'd not give it away by advertising a briefing by an Army Colonel while so doing...
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:35 AM
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8. Unless the intent is to intimidate the populus. nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:40 AM
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12. How does an annoucement that a wussy little PIO colonel is doing a briefing "intimidate?"
CSPAN does carry briefings--from the WH, Judiciary, State, DOD and other executive branch agencies.

Sometimes a fuckup is just a fuckup. I'm pretty sure that that particular candidate fielded more than one question about the war during his time on the program.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:15 AM
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21. Are you going to whip that wussy little colonel's ass MADem?
Just to show me what a little bitch he really is? I think that would be simply awesome. :)

But you asked about how that intimidates. Its weird, but it does, that's their style. Not just a little fuck-up, but one little fuckup after another after another. They seek to cultivate a constant state of anxiety that never passes the threshold where people feel compelled to act.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 03:31 AM
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22. PIOs are generally wusses. They get in that gig because they don't quite
cut it in the warfighting end of things, but they either have a rich/famous/military daddy, or they speak and write really, really, well. They're also willing to take massive amounts of crap when they get to the Pentagon level--at least they did under Rummy, who was a real fucking martinet. It was kinda funny to watch some of those guys, who had a fantastic gig under Clinton and his Public Affairs spokesperson, Ken Bacon, go from the 'two hour lunch' and last in/first out to working their well-fed asses off and getting those very asses handed to them. Heh, heh.

Those tags, in some fashion or other, go on the front of all AFRTS 'B'roll or tapes. You'd often see them when some technician at the military tee vee station would screw up or fall asleep at the switch. They even do a similar thing at civilian stations, but they don't have the goofy little seal. The seal is there to identify it as DOD product, not USN, USAF, USMC, or USCG.

CSPAN is "a gift to you from your cable company." Years ago, we didn't even have it--we had to watch the Watergate hearings cut into (horrors!) the SOAP OPERAS!!

Its main purpose is to cover the House and Senate. The DOD, State, and WH briefs are expansions into their original mission, as are the call in show and the book discussion round tables and the little symposia they do at NDU and elsewhere. It's commercial free, and the government does control the how, when and where that the cameras are turned on.

We actually saw an instance not too long ago when one of the chambers pulled a "We Need to Talk Classified Shit in This Legislative Body" and turned off the cameras--the details escape me now, but that was censorship, for national security reasons.

So sure, if Bush doesn't want his presser to be on TV, he can tell everyone to pick their notebooks up and follow him to the map room, or what have you. And they do an 'off the air' press conference most mornings at the WH as well. And that's been the case for a long time....

Its hard to tell ANYTHING from that clip. Was it live, and was that presser scheduled as a follow-on showing? Was it prerecorded, as they often do rerun that show, later in the day, when the House isn't in session, or they cut in and out during votes and roll calls. They also will rerun it while they're WAITING for a briefing to start. You just can't tell from a short segment like that what the context is.

And context is everything.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 02:40 AM
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10. Ya, if it was REAL censorship, I'm sure they'd just say "CENSORED - for your own good"
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 03:43 AM
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13. Well, in Iran, the screen would go black. There wouldn't be any fuckups or skips or screeches.
And when they jammed BBC World Service radio, they jammed it pretty damned good. You could make it out if you put on earphones and suffered a bit of deafness for your trouble.

I've seen real censorship, and that ain't it.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:44 AM
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17. Kinda like the difference between US and Pakistan you mean? n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:37 AM
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18. Well, no. Pakistan is a US ally. Iran was under the Shah, and then wasn't. .... nt
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:44 PM
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19. With "allies" like Pakistan, who needs enemies?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:52 PM
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20. Well, that's a debate for another day. Right now, they are our allies, in a
key location in southwest asia, and their situation is 'iffy.'

It could well get interesting, in a sort of uncertain way.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 03:38 AM
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23. It happened on Direct TV in Atlanta too.
it wasn't comcast - it was comedy central.

which doesn't change whether or not it was censorship but it wasn't comcast.
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