Would ANY Dem have the guts to go after Rudy in the general?

I think the whole election could be riding on this important question. No matter who the Dem nominee is, would he or she use the almost unbelievably huge cache of dirt against Saint Rudy in the general? Of course this is assuming he is the nominee, so this is a hypothetical. Nevertheless, there is a good chance he will be. So will the Dem take punch after punch, swift boat after swift boat, and ask for more, all the while staying mum about Rudy? I think there is a good chance that all of them would. And we will lose.

If we are not willing to get down in the trenches and get our hands dirty this time, WE WILL LOSE.

all those drug dealing Republican fundraisers and his bomb-bomb-Iran advisors and the likelihood of a fundy third party walkout, he's the guy, perhaps next after Fred Thompson, we most want to run against.

Worry about likeable Huckabee; worry about Romney (yes, Romney); worry one hell of a lot about a resurgent McCain. Giuliani will be gone in a New York minute.

instead of staying above the fray and "playing cheess?" Those of you here during the 2004 election will understand the playing chess reference.

if they get the nom, and are running against the Ghoul, won't tear him a multitude of new body orifices. He's by far the easiest target. But he won't be the nom. The Kerik things spells the end for him.

when the votes start getting counted he'll drop like a turd. as Joe said, a noun a verb and 911 is all he can say

...for saying that Joe Biden plagiarized a speech.

And like when John Kerry said that MoveOn should stop running ads critical of George W. Bush going AWOL.

Some of us have been around the block enough times to see the writing on the wall. I would write more, but I can't think of any more cliches.

hard for support on this. Do you really think Edwards hasn't learned from '04. Look at how he's tossing the kitchen sink at Clinton. And speaking of Clinton, it's not like Bill didn't hit and hit hard, and Hillary has obviously learned her lesson well. Harder to tell about Obama.

He can win, and he's not afraid to kick some neocon ass.

He's my guy, but would he get in the trenches? Would he use the dirt? I wonder.

but I can also see him taking the high road, because he is a truly classy guy.

and if you don't like guts, take your pick of synonym.

Kerik Stuff does not affect Rudy. If you wait until the
general election it is too late. The people will say
we heard that already.

Personal Stuff---The Media has determined HRC and Rudy
cancel each other out. Bills philandering equals Rudy's
philandering. No need to discuss. They are a wash.

The TV Media is what counts. Americans get news from
TV. Not Newspapers and Magazines.

If you want to have any effect, you had better start now
EMail TV Media--be respectful and polite but state your
case.

with little or no effect. I agree with your post, but a more organized e-mail campaign is our only hope.

Anything that makes the Repiggies look bad seems to have a half-life of about 30 seconds on the "News".
Any journalist violating this rule gets Rathered.



We cannot count on skeletons in Repiglickin closets helping us AT ALL.

There were plenty in Bush**'s closet. Much good it ever did us.

coverage. True, we can't expect them to cover anything negative to the repugs voluntarily. So our party needs to get in lock-step and speak with one voice. Every Dem who is given air time should harp on it. The repugs are experts at this, and we just roll over.

dirty politics looks like, then they had better (if they want to win) get ready for some of the dirtiest/shittiest/nasty-ass politics = a hybrid of Rove, Nero, Caligula, and that nasty little shit that sent people to the cornfield for no good reason

and the candidate's hands are kept clean.

I don't envision any of them spitting and spewing attacks, but they could follow up on the theme with a few well placed comments. and the VP candidate could certainly participate. All other Dem should get on board and stay there.

Giuliani in drag dress and draggish bare legs dancing routine:
http://bigqueer.server304.com/index.php?/archives/232-Giuliani-Transgender-Rights-The-Untold-Story.html
similar:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1910284/posts (scroll down)

Rudy in drag:
"Will it play in Peoria?":
Or:
Or:

As do video links of Rudy in drag, as Rudia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

The New York Times editorial full address:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/10/opinion/10sat1.html
excerpts:
Bernard Kerik’s indictment on fraud and corruption charges is disturbing on its own, but it also raises broader issues. It is sobering to think how close Mr. Kerik came to becoming secretary of the Homeland Security Department, and it is also troubling that Rudolph Giuliani, a leading candidate for president, has been so close to him for so long, as a friend, boss and business partner.

. . . .

. . . . Mr. Kerik’s first brush with the law: He was fined by the city for sending police officers to do research on a book he was writing. . . .

Yesterday’s indictment and Mr. Kerik’s whole troubled record raise questions about Mr. Giuliani’s judgment. The men have an extraordinarily close bond. . . . .

As recently as this week, Mr. Giuliani made the remarkable statement that any mistakes Mr. Kerik made were outweighed by his success in fighting crime — presumably not including the crimes Mr. Kerik himself was committing. . . . .

NY Daily News editorial on Kerik:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11102007/postopinion/editorials/bernie_keriks_shame_782429.htm

Look, Ma, even the right :D dislikes Kerik and says Rudy Giuli's devotion questionable:
Michelle Malkin:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1923123/posts

Libby Quaid at townhall.com:
http://www.townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2007/11/09/
analysis_kerik_could_tarnish_giuliani

Yeah, they're righties, but they make good arguments.

Right now we're dealing with horse-race numbers that mean little. It's more a popularity contest than one based on issues. While some will be voting for class president, the rest of the country will be voting for the best choice as President...and with it the polls should reflect a different picture than we're seeing now.

I suspect Hillary has plenty on Rudy. The Clintons surely have a war room already set to go after him but are just biding their time...letting the GOOP do their dirty work for them into the primaries. A great example is how McCain picked up on Kerik running away from Iraq to attack Rudy...this will be nice ammo to have later.

The big question is how popular Rudy will be in the GOOP following the primaries. Will he piss off enough people to have the fundies go off to a third party or Ron Paul or both? Will Rudy's support be only as the "great white hope" and offer little else. The baggage is there, it'll just be how its used and used effectively.

As I've said in other posts, Rudy is the one I'd love to see as their nominee. He'll send that party over the abyss.

I'll put my money on an Edwards nomination :toast:

but I am afraid that the corporate media will do everything they can to keep Edwards from winning. Right now they're conemt to mostly ignore him. But they're not afraid to smear him. I have literally not heard one even neutral comment from the talking heads about Edwards.

They are bestest friends and Mukasey's son, Marc, works for Giuliani's law firm. Why mess up a good thing?



Michael Mukasey: Giuliani’s Inside Man?
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2007/09/an_astor_place_landmarkphoto_p.html

That is why they did everything they could to keep his cases from coming to trial.

Edwards would take on Rudy and literally shred any semblance of credibility that Rudy once had. In a one on one debate, Rudy would not have a chance.

IN fact, if it comes down to Edwards v. Rudy in the General Election, I will be surprised if Rudy even agrees to a debate format that allows them to address each other.

Those of us familiar with Edwards' skills in the courtroom cannot wait to see that one.