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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 05:29 PM
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Think Comparisons To Hitler & Stalin Are Overblown?-Just Consider "The Torture Curve" (Naomi Wolf)
Edited on Sat Nov-10-07 05:31 PM by kpete
Naomi Wolf
Consider the torture curve:

.....People are making the argument that the comparisons to Hitler and Stalin are overblown, largely because their own lives feel quite normal despite what they’re hearing on the news.

The Abu Ghraib photos emerged in April 2004. Americans were appalled. But in less than three years Americans went from being horrified by these photos to being accustomed enough o detainee abuse to let Congress pass the 2006 (Military Commissions Act) law. In less than three years, the White House went from rhetorically disavowing the use of torture to being confident enough openly to advance legislation to permit many cruel practices.


Naomi explains this acquiescence in terms of “mission creep,” where laws and tactics that abridge civil liberties are adopted to protect us from an “other” who suddenly becomes one’s self:

Early on this “mission creep” is seldom evident. There is a strong, if unconscious, psychological denial among citizens at this stage. Because there is now a two-caste system, and because most people are in the protected caste, a kind of magical thinking makes many people feel more secure as they witness “others” being sent into brutal detention. This is the regressive seduction of fascism — a “Daddy wouldn’t harm me” kind of thinking, a sense of privilege as Daddy’s state-sanctioned ire and even violence are directed at others outside the circle of safety. Then, if they are working in a democracy, leaders seeking a fascist shift acclimate citizens to an ever-lowered bar for the acceptance of stage torture. (The Fox TV show 24 depicts torture as entertainment. The producers recently noted that torture is no longer shocking, let alone news.)


But even though Americans seem to be unhappy with their government and don’t like what the Cheney administration is doing (nor do they like the Democrats who have failed in their 2006 mandate to stop them), Naomi argues (and I think rightly) that they are largely tone deaf to the potential danger:

Americans don’t get this at all, but other countries who have experienced dictatorships either near them or over them do get it: Journalists in Brazil and Argentina know what the difference is between publishing the same newspaper while looking over one’s shoulder. The fact that we are unaware that a dictatorship can be incremental leaves us terribly vulnerable right now.


Discussion of this with Naomi Wolf now at Firedoglake:
http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/11/10/fdl-book-salon-welcomes-naomi-wolf/

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-10-07 06:23 PM
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1. Such a serious reality and our party's been dumbed down to battling over tips and flagpins
while the fascism is overtaking our nation by the hour.
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libnnc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:50 PM
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3. I wish I could recommend your post.
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Land Shark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:43 PM
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2. Incremental Dictatorship = the Boiled Frog, bit by bit (too quick=too obvious to fool Americans) nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 01:19 PM
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6. Look at THIS democratic message board and count how many care about this
in any consierate way.

THAT is why it's happened and will continue to happen. And most Dems don't care even as they claim they do.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:59 PM
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4. 'Restoring the Constitution Act'..... Where do the candidates stand?
On February 13, 2007, Senators Dodd, Feingold and Leahy brought S. 576, the Restoring the Constitution Act, to the floor of the United States Senate. This act would repeal the worst parts of the Military Commissions Act. It would:

# Restore habeas corpus for individuals held in U.S. custody.
# It narrows the definition of unlawful enemy combatant to individuals who directly participate in hostilities against the United States in a zone of active combat, who are not lawful combatants.
# Require that the United States live up to its Geneva Convention obligations by deleting a prohibition in the law that bars detainees from invoking Geneva Conventions as a source of rights at trial.
# Permit the accused to retain qualified civilian attorneys to represent them at trial.
# Prevent the use of evidence in court gained through the unreliable and immoral practices of torture and coercion.
# Give the military judge in any tribunal the responsibility for ensuring that the jury is appropriately informed as to the sources, methods and activities associated with developing out of court statements proposed to be introduced at trial, or alternatively that the statement is not introduced.
# Empower military judges to exclude hearsay evidence they deem to be unreliable.
# Authorize the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces to review decisions by the military commissions.
# Limit the authority of the President to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions and makes that authority subject to congressional and judicial oversight.
# Clarify the definition of war crimes in statute to include certain violations of the Geneva Conventions.
# Provide for expedited judicial review of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 to determine the constitutionally of its provisions.

So far, Christopher Dodd, Russ Feingold, and Patrick Leahy are the only senators to co-sponsor this legislation. Of these three, only Christopher Dodd is running for President Conspicuous is the complete lack of involvement by the other senators who are currently running for President. Barack Obama has not co-sponsored the Restoring The Constitution Act. Hillary Clinton is not a co-sponsor. Neither is Joseph Biden.

I can’t find any place where Obama, Clinton or Biden have even mentioned the existence of the Restoring The Constitution Act. Do they just not care about the slaughter of American freedom enabled by the Military Commissions Act?

Note to Senator Obama, Senator Clinton, and Senator Biden: This is a presidential campaign issue. It’s an issue of values. It’s an issue of character. It’s an issue of freedom. Get on the ball.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2007/02/20/restore-constitution-threesens/
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 06:05 PM
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5. ...
good read
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