GBL..without US, the T ,as in Transgender

ENDA Passes Without Gender Identity

Yesterday, ENDA passed the House without "gender identity." As you may recall, although this term's original version of ENDA, HR 2015, included both sexual orientation and gender identity, two separate bills were later introduced, one including only sexual orientation (HR 3685) and one including only gender identity (HR 3686). HR 3685 was sent out from committee, and it was debated and passed yesterday.
http://transworkplace.blogspot.com/2007/11/enda-passes-without-gender-identity.html
I'm a transgender guy and
Dammit right now I want to scream at Nancy fucking Pelosi and Barney Frank...enfurter!! All because rich businessmen whine about having to spend a little money remodeling ...So what do they do, they seek to cut us trans-people OUT of an anti discriminatory protections for gay people. They whine about ramps for disabled people too,but noo we are not even equal to disabled people to greedy business right now..We are apparently are not worth being treated as equal human beings to some fuck faces in congress ..Because of this stupid all must bow to the goddamn businessman....Well fuck THAT!! I am pissed now.Hate the rich authoritarian pigs don't coddle them..They'll rob us all blind and take our rights away without a drop of shame .

Talking Points on ENDA

ENDA Must Contain Explicit Protections for Gender Identity

* ENDA should protect the entire gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community from unequal treatment in the workplace, especially those of us who are most vulnerable to discrimination.
* The LGBT community is one community, and we want to move forward, together, in one bill.
* Including explicit protections against discrimination based on gender identity not only helps transgender people; it also strengthens ENDA for the rest of our community by ensuring that an employer cannot fire or refuse to hire a gay employee for an “effeminate” walk or a lesbian employee for dressing “too butch.”
* Despite advances in protecting transgender people on the state and local level, as well as in the private sector, it remains perfectly legal in 37 states to fire someone solely based on his or her gender identity.
* Recent national surveys have found that 65% of people believe it should be illegal to discriminate against transgender people in employment.

Talking Points on the Baldwin Amendment

Political Talking Points

* Our group is a part of United ENDA, a coalition of over 300 organizations with a collective membership of over 2 million LGBT and allied people. Over the last 3 weeks, these groups have urged Congress to oppose a sexual-orientation only ENDA (HR 3685) and instead either move the original ENDA (H.R. 2015) or consider no bill this year.
* The Baldwin amendment is House leadership’s last attempt to fix the damage that they have done to passing the original ENDA over the last few weeks.
* The lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender community is one community and the community ONLY wants to move forward together with one unified bill.

Substantive Amendment Talking Points

* The Baldwin amendment restores the Employment Non-Discrimination Act to its original language regarding gender identity. The gender identity protections are necessary to protect the entire lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community from discrimination.
* Transgender people are especially in need of gender identity discrimination protections. A survey conducted in Washington, D.C., showed that 60 percent of transgender respondents report either no source of income or incomes of less than $10,000 per year, a clear indication of the desperate need for employment protections for transgender people.
* The leading LGBT litigation organizations (Lambda Legal, National Center for Lesbian Rights, and the Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders), and the ACLU, have issued joint legal analysis that explains that gender non-conforming people (whether lesbian, gay, bisexual or straight) would also not be fully protected by an ENDA that does not prohibit gender identity discrimination.
* Transgender-inclusive laws have passed on the local and state level, even in conservative places. Nationally, 37% of the U.S. population lives in a jurisdiction with a transgender-inclusive law. For example, the states of Iowa, Colorado, and Oregon passed inclusive laws this year and lawmakers in three Kentucky jurisdictions (Covington, Louisville/Jefferson County, and Lexington-Fayette Urban County) have all passed these laws.

Equality for everyone.

K&R

If everyone isn't free to be who they are, we shouldn't call ourselves human.

Precisely what does "transgendered" mean, in the context of this (I know what it means normally)? In effect how can one discriminate against the transgendered without discriminating against gays? Am I totally wrong in thinking that T equals G/L here, at least in the realm of legal semantics? I'm not trying to offend, just understand

the person has or is in the process of having SURGERY in order to have their physical attributes match their soul.

Gay men are just sexually attracted to men and lesbian women are attracted to women. There is no gender misidentity on their part.

Hope that helps!

and then dated women would identify as a straight male. Also even if the transexual identified as gay one could fire him or her for being a transexual without discriminating against other gays.

And http://www.gendertalk.com/info/tgism.shtml">this site will help explain it in more detail.

Thanks for asking. :hi:

Either way, I'm 100% behind putting them on equal footing.

While transgendered people do have sex with members of their own gender, they do not readily fit into the definition of "homosexual". Homosexual men have sex with men, but still identify themselves as men. They wear "male" clothing, they go to the men's room to take a piss, so on, so forth. Transgendered people experience what psychologists call "gender dysphoria", whereby they identify themselves as members of the opposite sex. Thus, the homosexual man would assert he has sex with men because he is attracted to them, while the transgendered man would assert he is attracted to men because he is supposed to be female.

It is possible to discriminate against transgendered individuals without discriminating against homosexuals. Most homosexuals don't possess a "homosexual look". Not all are flamboyant, well dressed, or afflicted with a lisp, contrary to the sitcom zeitgeist of this country. However, gender dysphoria does have an outward appearance, and employers who refuse to allow their employees to wear shorts would probably go apeshit to see a dude in make-up and a dress show up in his office for an interview. So, as it goes, you can't discriminate against a person for who they choose to have sex with, but you can discriminate based on how a person appears. The extensively pierced or tattooed have a difficult time securing gainful employment merely because of their outward appearance, and without laws to protect them, I suspect the transgendered encounter similar barriers.

Equal protection for all is long overdue.

The question was: "What issues do YOU refuse to compomise?"

I sat and thought to myself about my personal answer.

I am not gay. I am well beyond child bearing years.

To me, within my guts, gay rights and reproductive choice were the things that I could never compromise.

I will fight for and support transgender equal rights until I die.

How could someone turn around and vote against the part protecting everyone, not just some? That's terrible!!

I'd write my congresscritter, but he's a megachurch pastor. It's like talking to a brick wall. We're trying to get rid of him.

Certain types were afraid of their personal "right" to discriminate being disallowed. They also claimed that if ENDA included prohibitions against TG discrimination then men in dresses would be going into women's restrooms to leer at women on the toilets, and they'd be forced to hire "women with five-o-clock shadows" to work in day care centers. :eyes:

You know, I was at a knitting meetup in a coffeeshop this last summer, and there was a MTF lady sitting near us who started asking us questions about knitting, and we had a lovely chat. She had the best advice on where to get shoes (I have big, wide feet), and it made up for most of the others not showing up. My knitter friend and I both agreed that she made the evening so much more interesting and fun.

I think if more people actually met transgendered people and talked with them, they'd find that they're not the bogeypeople they're made out to be. Then again, I'm not sure we can trust people not to hurt them just out of prejudice. *sigh*

Much like when people meet and interact with LGB people they realize we're just ordinary people instead of the stereotypes they thought we were.