So "Big Dog" and R. Mellon=Scaife are NOW "mutual admirers"?

Interesting article at Newsweek written by Isikoff, who was the chief-idiot reporter in charge of writing all the bull crap that Mellon-Sciafe and his minions were tossing to the willing carnivore press from their Arkansas project. Now that Hillary is running Bill decides that it is ok to chat with the person not only responsible for making his presidency miserable, but ALL OF OUR LIVES MISERABLE. If this doesn't PROVE that the Clintons will do everything and ANYTHING to get her elected,then I don't know what will convince us all.
I think that now even if she got the nomination, I would NOT vote for her in the general. You cannot trust the Clintons. Now flame away I don't care, but this should really be a wake-up call to all those Dem's who haven't realized that what John Edwards has been saying is so true. Washington DC is CORRUPT, it is really time for a change!

Here is the linky;
http://www.newsweek.com/id/69545/page/1

"A New Game Plan: The Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm their most vocal opponents"

Silencing their critics seems to be a good and smart plan to me. If you can get your enemy to say something good about you why object?

I don't!

to defuse opposition from two of their worst enemies and this is a bad thing?

Unless somone comes up with some actual quid-pro-quo and really dirty dealings to cause this change in attitude, I will consider it brilliant politicking.

The difference is rather significant.

But we will know as soon as Scaife asks Hillary for a personal favor. I'd rather not give him the opening.

Al From is founder and chief executive officer of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), a dynamic idea action center of the "Third Way" governing philosophy that is reshaping progressive politics in the United States and around the globe. He is also chairman of the Third Way Foundation and publisher of the DLC's flagship bi-monthly magazine, Blueprint: Ideas for a New Century.

As a founder of the DLC -- birthplace of the New Democrat movement and the Third Way in America -- and its companion think tank, the Progressive Policy Institute (PPI), From leads a national movement that since the mid-1980s has provided both the action agenda and the ideas for New Democrats to successfully challenge the conventional political wisdom in America and, in the process, redefine the center of the Democratic Party.

-snip

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?kaid=86&subid=191&contentid=1131



Will Marshall, the head of PPI signed PNAC letters.
(Called "Bill Clinton's idea mill," the Progressive Policy Institute was responsible for many of the Clinton administration's initiatives...)
Starting right after 9/11.
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Along with such neocon stalwarts as Robert Kagan, Bruce Jackson, Joshua Muravchik, James Woolsey, and Eliot Cohen, a half-dozen Democrats were among the 23 individuals who signed PNAC's first letter on post-war Iraq. Among the Democrats were Ivo Daalder of the Brookings Institution and a member of Clinton's National Security Council staff; Martin Indyk, Clinton's ambassador to Israel; Will Marshall of the Progressive Policy Institute and Democratic Leadership Council; Dennis Ross, Clinton's top adviser on the Israel-Palestinian negotiations; and James Steinberg, Clinton's deputy national security adviser and head of foreign policy studies at Brookings.

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0522-10.htm

More about Will Marshall
Note the PNAC link to the left.
http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1295

while I don't like them much, I don't remember any specifically terrible things that happened under the last Clinton sdministration.

Bill C wasn't perfect, but I seem to remember things were doing fairly well during those 8 years, with the worst of it the constant attacks on him.

Take out Scaife and you've cut out the source of a cancer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2242328#2247064
that CIA Mena chapter reveals a lot about the bush/clinton dynasty


http://www.ncoic.com/clinton.htm

An independent group of researchers in Arkansas are charging that Governor Bill Clinton is covering up an airport used by the CIA and major cocaine smugglers in a remote corner of the Ozark mountains. According to Deborah Robinson of In These Times, the Inter mountain Regional Airport in Mena,Arkansas continues to be the hub of operations for people like assassinated cocaine kingpin Barry Seal as well as government intelligence operations linked to arms and drug smuggling.

In the 1980's, the Mena airport became one of the world's largest aircraft refurbishing centers, providing services to planes from many countries.Researchers claim that the largest consumers of aircraft refurbishing services are drug smugglers and intelligence agencies involved in covert activities.In fact, residents of Mena, Arkansas, have told reporters that former marine Lt. Colonel Oliver North was a frequent visitor during the 1980's. Eugene Hasenfus, a pilot who was shot down in a Contra supply plane over Nicaragua in 1986, was also seen in town renting cargo vehicles.

A federal Grand Jury looking into activities at the Mena airport refused to hand down any indictments after drug running charges were made public.Deborah Robinson says that Clinton had "ignored the situation" until he began his presidential campaign." Clinton then said he would provide money for a state run investigation of the Mena airport. But according to Robinson, the promise of an investigation was never followed up by Clinton's staff. In fact, a local Arkansas state prosecutor blasted Clinton's promise of an investigation, comparing it to "spitting on a forest fire."

Clinton's involvement in the drug and arms running goes even further than a mere cover-up of the deplorable activities that went on, and are still going on, at the airport in Mena. A federal mail fraud case against an Arkansas pilot-trainer who participated in illegal arms exports to Central Americarelied on a key Clinton staffer as a chief witness. The case was dismissedfor lack of evidence when the CIA refused to allow the discussion of top secret information about the arms transfers.


AND DON'T FORGET THE MARC RICH PARDON. I WOULD LIKE OUR COUNTRY TO BE VERY FAR FROM TIES TO BFEE. THEY ARE NOT BE BEFRIENDED, RATHER BROUGHT TO JUSTICE. I'M NOT SURE THE CLINTONS ARE THE FOLKS TO DO THAT. JUST RECENTLY BILL SAID AMERICANS DON'T WANT IMPEACHMENT. HE DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THIS AMERICAN. I WANT PURE UNADULTERATED JUSTICE.

They were simply bought off. Once again, they are exposed for the corporate whores that they are. How much are you willing to bet that if Hillary gets into office, there will be legislation passed that will benefit these two, probably sooner rather than later?

just ravings, assumptions, and speculation.

IranContra don't count? Ever read the Outstanding Matters section of the Dec 1992 BCCI report?

Coverup of Poppy Bush's CIA drugrunning and the targeting of reporter who uncovered the story in 1996 never happened?


Here's Parry's observation on IranContra and Iraqgate - a mere tip of the iceberg.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Second, the article doesn't mention "mutual admiration". It says Scaife has come to admire Bill Clinton.

Third, the article clearly says Scaife is not supporting Hillary Clinton's run.

Fourth, Scaife is interested in Bill's philanthropic pursuits, and wants to help.

But other than that, your OP made perfect sense. :eyes:

Have a beautiful day!
You were right about it being Newsweek, my bad, I corrected. Thanks!

about stupid hit and run posts like this. The users REALLY believe "there's no need to respond" because of something as silly as my avatar.

Do you just post the story with a "wink wink" as if everybody should just KNOW what your point is, but you didn't make a point.

What does this story have to do with Hillary Clinton? Where does it say Bill and Scaife are "mutual admirers"?

why people are so strongly against her, and likely never will.

the circumstantial argument that the clinton's are power hungry above all else is overwhelming, and this is merely another note in that symphony.

it is not wholly indicting on it's own, but it is so woven into the way these two operate that it is just pathetic to behold.

big dog's admiration of rove, bush sr, his ability to win scaife over... and on and on. they severely damaged our party with their compromising, and they will kill it in the end if they return to power.

I pray she does not get the nomination.

a "wink wink" answer. "If you don't see it....you never will"

The fact is, the article has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. It has nothing to do with electoral politics. It has to do with a billionaire getting engaged with philanthropy. That's a good thing, in my book.

You expect people to draw all these connections that just aren't there, and they're based in your hatred, paranoia and ignorance.

You just made up the "mutual admirers" part - it's not in the article. And what about the part where it plainly says Scaife is not supporting Clinton's run for President? even your paranoid connections are disproved right there in the text.

to diminish distrust of them by saying it's based upon 'hatred, paranoia, or ignorance'. nicely done.

who knows if I'm ignorant, but I can tell you I'm neither hateful or paranoid. I've been around for six decades and I've never seen my party so riven by distrust of a candidate. do you truly believe there is no reason for this distrust? you can not so believe.

Bill turned the party into a cult of personality (beautifully articulated as a problem by Clinton team member Robert Reich), and ever since he (they) lost the Ark. governor's mansion the first time, they decided that power, through compromise, is the way to effect change. they no longer care about change, as the pursuit of power has, like in many a tragedy, taken over as the means and the end.

this is not paranoia, this is being awake. wake up.

This is NOT a drive by post. I don't want to get into a war with an obvious Hillary supporter. But since you want to, I will oblige.
You see this as an article about Mellon-Scaife giving money to Bill. ANYONE who knows that idiot Isikoffs writings knows that when he starts a article like this and ends it with a one liner like "Cue the apocalypse" knows there is more to come. You can believe and think what you want, but you are triangulating to make the point that good old Sciafe is just donating to good old Bill's good cause. Give me a break. After all that went down with the Arkansas project and their "elves' like Coulter, you really expect thinking people to believe this meeting is about a donation....NOT.....It is also a new FACT that Hi;llary's camp has been leaking to the other wonderful person Matt Drudge.....geeeeee whizzz I guess that is about Bill's foundation too?, and has nothing to do with her campaign. The article means one thing as I said...THE Clinton's will do ANYTHING and get in bed with ANTBODY no matter how disgusting to win...End of story.
Now you have a nice day!

I don't get that at all.

If you're predisposed to believe the Clintons are evil, then yeah, I guess I can understand it. But it's still a huge leap of logic.

The article doesn't say Bill admires Scaife. The article says plainly that Scaife is not supporting Hillary Clinton's bid. The article talks about an old billionaire getting involved in philanthropy.

All the nefarious connections and innuendo are entirely of your making.

Because you don't get the connections. This article is just one link in the chain of what the Clintons will do when in office. They threw the progressives under the bus in the 90's and we were still there for them when the Thugs tried to throw them out. I am NOT going to be used like that again!

that you can't demonstrate. The connections that are a result of a paranoid mind. The connections that simply can't show to exist.

But, I'm not hateful and paranoid, so no, I guess I don't "get" them.

So my last response to you. Go ahead and support Hillary.
Enjoy being thrown under the bus along with the rest of us progressives.

that's not an argument.

You're not demonstrating any of the connections you purport to exist.

How could Bill Clinton stoop so low to "pick" a billionaire's pocket to help AIDS victims....





:sarcasm:

DSB

from the linked article..

"Whatever the reasons for Scaife's change of heart, it's not hard to figure out why the Clintons would embrace a former nemesis. As they prepared for Hillary's presidential run, the Clintons made quiet attempts to disarm, or at least neutralize, some of their most vocal opponents. Last year Hillary accepted an offer from Rupert Murdoch (who always hedges his bets) to host a fund-raiser for her Senate campaign. The New York Times reported that the Clinton camp has also made efforts to open a line of communication to blogger Matt Drudge, who has served as a conduit for anti-Clinton GOP leaks."

It's part of the classic DLC strategy:

1 Ignore your party base. Don't spend time on them or their issues, they will turn out to vote, volunteer and donate anyway.

2 Distance yourself from your base and its values and issues - the better to pick up extra votes from more conservative voters. Your base will vote for you anyway.

3 Reach out to the right wing and conservatives - see above

One would think that DLC candidates who so admire the GOP would take another page from their playbook - play to your base, keep them happy, support them and everyone else will want to join them.

the article doesn't say Clinton approached Scaife. More "just making shit up".

its in the article.

As my post mentions, its part of the core DLC strategy. They always preach reaching out to and aligning oneself with the GOP as a means of picking up votes. That may have been a viable strategy back in the 1990's, not so now when the GOP is unpopular. Works for getting money, though.

does not say he reached out to Scaife.

It says they accepted an offer for Murdoch to host a fundraiser for her senate campaign. It said they tried to open lines of communication with Drudge.

But it doesn't say Clinton reached out to Scaife. It says former mayor Ed Koch brought them together.

But why does truth matter when you're inventing a smear?

but I would still say it appears they've adapted the old DLC strategy of ignoring the base and reaching out to the GOP.

Some might think its a good strategy.

engage with them and become their friend.

Sun Tzu said it thousands of years ago, and I think its what we are
suggesting America do with Iran and North Korea. Its what
worked to beat the Soviet Union.
Bill Clinton's force of personality and consistent working toward
a larger good has finally made an admirer out of the evil
billionaire - who is now wanting to contribute to the cause.
Sounds like a win to me.

in the land of scumbags.

anyone who thinks otherwise, needs to read some of the latter day writings of David Brock.

can't wait to see what Media Matters has to say about this meeting. Brock knows Scaife and what evil he is.

my goodwill for the Clintons has been squeezed dry. first the chumming up with Poppy, then Senator Clinton's BFF Murdoch, and now this. :puke: