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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:36 AM
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Conyers: Pelosi can take impeachment off of her table, but she cannot take it off of my table

This is an imperial presidency,” Conyers said. “Not only on matters of policy, but in declaring war. Only Congress can declare war on any country.

Conyers was elected by his congressional colleagues to lead the House Committee on the Judiciary. That post comes with oversight of the Department of Justice, including the FBI, federal courts, consumer protection and civil rights.

During the two-hour session, the congressman’s comments were received by rounds of applause and standing ovations. But when the Congressman touched on the issue of impeachment, the crowd cheered as though the Miami Dolphins had won its first game this season.

Nancy Pelosi can take impeachment off of her table, but she cannot take it off of my table,” Conyers said to cheers and pleas from the audience to remove Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney from office.


Conyers went on to say that they didn't have time to hold impeachment hearings and take up the other important issues.

It seems to me that Conyers would be willing to take up time consuming impeachment, if enough people made it clear that was Our priority.

link: http://www.browardtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=704&Itemid=45
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:38 AM
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1. He's talking out of both sides of his mouth. nt
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:44 AM
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2. Sure he is, he's trying to appease whoever is in front of him.
That's why he needs to be constantly faced with the question "When are you holding hearings on the Impeachment of Cheney?"

I think he can be pushed to do it, if he's overwhelmed with calls and protests for it. He isn't going to do it because its the right thing, but he will if its the most important issue to the voters and his fellow members of the Judiciary Committee. He says things like he wants to be given a reason, and that the desire hasn't reached a critical mass.

He needs a lot of pressure from a lot of Us, but he is willing.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:47 AM
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3. He's been getting a lot of pressure and so far has seemed to ignore it.
Yes, seems like he's in the appeasement mode.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:50 AM
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5. I'm convinced Pelosi and Hoyer are threatening his chairmanship.
HOw do we counter THAT?
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:48 AM
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4. I think your
right, he can say that but the result is still the same, no accountability for Bu$h/Cheney.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:54 AM
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6. he also said this before the House voted to send it to the Judiciary committee
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:56 AM
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7. When did he say this?
It sure doesn't jibe with what he said to impeachment activists in July.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:58 AM
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9. November 4th. in Miami.
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 09:58 AM by tekisui
He wants to do it, he just needs overwhelming support. In July he said he didn't see the critical mass.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:12 AM
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14. In July he said that Fox news would make fun of him if he impeached
Then he had a couple dozen people arrested in his office.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:40 PM
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31. Does he need support in the form of calls and letters?

Or does he really need support from the media? In an ideal world justice would be blind and the constitutional issues at hand would speak for themselves. This is kind of like the judge at a trial asking for feedback from the audience.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:58 AM
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10. Nov 4 at University of Miami
according to the linked article.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 09:57 AM
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8. DK, as good as he is, needed pressure and support to start the Impeachment
process. That was the first step.

The second step is for Conyers to allow hearings to take place. They would be in a subcommittee, and the subcommittee, chaired by Jerry Nadler, is ready, willing and able, with many on the committee calling for hearings soon.

Only Conyers can schedule the hearings. If he can just put it on the calender, it will take off from there. Like a snow ball being rolled down a hill. I don't care if its not successful, if it never makes it through the House, but try.

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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:04 AM
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11. JUST DO IT JOHN!!!
Chairman of a brokedown House is like being the King of Shit. History will reward you more for being a man of courage.
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BelgianMadCow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:05 AM
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12. Can this get SOME RECS please! wOOt!
Great news. Conyers coming through would be awesome. I have always held him in high esteem.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:15 AM
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16. He isn't coming through - read the paragraph following the one on impeachment:
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 10:16 AM by proud2Blib
"Conyers reluctantly admitted, however, that there was not enough time to carry out the impeachment process and still tackle pressing issues such as universal healthcare and temporary protective status for Haitians."
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:23 AM
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18. Suspend the other efforts.
They won't make it past chimpy's desk, anyway. He just says their is not time to do it all.

So, choose Impeachment.

The leadership makes the argument that Impeachment Hearings will divide the Congress even more and prevent things from getting done. That doesn't fly. They are already divided. They get little done due to pub-obstructionists and king veto.

AND, if Impeachment Hearings started, I truly think dickie would disappear. The pugs couldn't survive voting to support him after the his war crimes are well publicized.
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:29 PM
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26. Very true,
he is blowing smoke if he think they are going to get a decent Health care bill through in the next 14 months.
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:39 AM
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40. Universal health care and the status of Haitians are non-starters
The Repugs can and will tie those issues up forever.

Conyers may not get an impeachment, but he can establish a legal record of the wrongdoings of Cheney, *, et al. That's what is missing -- an alternative to the propaganda that the Bushies are putting out. Absent any opposing evidence, their view wins and by default becomes the history of this administration.

Before the 2006 election several Democrats said the most significant thing they'd gain from winning the election would be to have the power to subpoena administration officials. How many hearings do we have going on right now? Are there ANY hearings? Or are the Dems too busy giving * exactly what he wants so he can claim they are a do-nothing congress?

Impeachment is THE issue, and there is plenty of time to make it happen. There has got to be some way to put enough pressure on Conyers to move impeachment to the top of the list.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:16 AM
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17. Done
Can we post his contact info?

Lets flood his office.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:25 AM
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19. A link to Conyers Chair E-mail:
http://judiciary.house.gov/contact.aspx


His contact info:

2138 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, DC 20515

202-225-3951
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:09 AM
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13. Nominated.
Thank you for keeping an important discussion going. I think that the grass roots are putting the issue of impeachment back on the table. Last week, I counted over 300 articles in newspapers and on web sites having to do with impeachment. Some were pro-impeachment, and some were anti-impeachment, but the vast majority were simply stating that the issue is being openly debated. That is a big step forward, and it is the grass roots progrerssives who have helped the nation take that step.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:13 AM
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15. These first steps don't come easy.
It takes a few in power with courage and understanding of the importance.

But, then it will become a self-replicating machine.

Does anyone think Lord Cheney could survive even a Committee Hearing on his Impeachment? His dirty crimes would be in clear view.

I believe the Impeachment Resolution drafted for Gonzo, with support, was what led to his resigning.
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 10:46 AM
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20. The Fact He Said This Is A Step Forward
from his, 'I have a calculator in one hand and the Constitution in the other' statement. Perhaps the pressure is getting to him. We really need to press forward next week.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:30 PM
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27. Full court press next week, before it is buired.
Call Conyers' office----request Hearings!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:02 AM
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21. Talk is cheap, Mr. Conyers.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:20 PM
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22. It doesn't have to be a choice between impeachment & attending to "other issues"!!! The reality is
that if Conyers holds impeachment hearings, the "other issues" will come to light and be covered in these impeachment hearings, enough so to further warrant more hearings and the ability to bring these "other issues" the light of day.

I just don't understand this whole "sucking the oxygen out of the room" or having to make a choice between impeachment and other issues. The reality is that they are one and the same!

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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:22 PM
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24. I love it. We're both thinking the same things.
I feel that we're on the verge of change. Good change.

Impeachment is a cure, not a burden.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:20 PM
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23. The reality is, impeachment is a time saver. It's the quickest way to solve our problems.
Let's be honest, there is time. There is time to not bring the troops home. There is time to pass that FISA resolution. There is time to look good by giving the president more money for his war.

The only thing we don't have time for is keeping our troops in harm's way.

This will only move foward now. There is momentum.
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 01:38 PM
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28. EXACTLY!!! It's such a false argument to state that there has be an either/or choice! Impeachment
actually achieves all the things!!!

And as you so well point out, this DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS (Capitalized due to the oxymoron) seems to have plenty of time to a) fund this war b) Not bring the troops home c) pass a FISA Resolution and give immunity to the Telcos; -- but time for impeachment??? Oh no, no time for that.... :eyes:

The reality is that impeachment hearings would cover all the investigations into crimes and the issues that ARE IMPORTANT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! And yes, it would all come out that the Iraq War was illegally done too, thus justifying an immediate end to both our troops being there and the funding.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 12:24 PM
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25. Bring in the cots, and let's hold hearings 'around the clock'...
There is always time to do the right thing.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:22 PM
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29. when is this speech from?
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 04:00 PM
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32. Novemeber 4th.
in Miami.
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lame54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 02:25 PM
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30. "There is no time" - Lou Reed
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 04:35 PM
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33. Pelosi needs to come out from under the table!! n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:20 PM
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34. So put in some fucking overtime like the rest of us, John
Edited on Sun Nov-11-07 05:21 PM by jgraz
Jesus, how can these guys act like they actually work for a living?? :banghead:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 05:36 PM
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35. There's nothing more important than saving our Constitution. I don't care what they THINK is more
important than impeachment, it's just NOT. IMPEACH CHENEY NOW!
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-11-07 11:44 PM
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36. I read it like the Op


"It seems to me that Conyers would be willing to take up time consuming impeachment, if enough people made it clear that was Our priority."

He needs a ton of support! A ton in order to be forceful.
I saw him on CSPAN about a year ago and he was saying that unless there was enormous pressure from the people, the VOTE STEALING issue would not be won.

For him to make that strong a statement about Impeachment means that he is ready but he needs an overwhelming show of support from masses of people.

Impeachment has the poll numbers however --- he is like a quarterback that is ready to throw the ball but he needs a TEAM behind him. He can not be the LONE RANGER!
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:52 AM
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37. I don't see the quandary. Get moving on impeachment!-nt
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:54 AM
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38. kicked and rec. nt
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 02:09 AM
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39. 800 862 5530 Ask for John Conyers - can congress walk & chew gum too ?
bull "there are other important issues."

Nothing is more important than the constitution.
Ask him if he read the op-ed of Sunday's New York Times. It doesn't agree with Bill Clinton either,
"impeachment is off the table"

Who are they taking their orders from ? Certainly not the people . 57% of Americans want Cheney impeached, and 75% of democrats the poll last July.

If they want to win an election in 08, he better get some spine and tell Hoyer and Nancy he'll get contributions from the grass roots, he doesn't need their pac money.

"Americans are clinically depressed because they know their Constitution has been vandalized and it doesn't look like it will be returning anytime soon". Nov 11, 2007 The New York Times

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:07 AM
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41. I think this government is broken. Frankly, I don't think any amount of public
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 03:08 AM by Marr
clamoring will make these politicians tend to the publics' demands.

Have you noticed that our *representatives* have been referring to themselves as "leaders" more and more over the years? I think we've got a thoroughly arrogant, Constitutionally illiterate class of would-be nobility in Washington these days. They seem to think the public is both stupid and impotent.
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