Kids STANDING UP and PROTESTING! (What a sight!)

A war criminal president who has gotten thousands of Americans killed in a war he lied us into (and even more innocent Iraqis), illegal spying on Americans, torture, a VP who is trying to lie us into another war, etc., etc., etc...

This, folks, is what really matters! Aren't you glad we have such outspoken and courageous citizens willing to fight for the important things?

Imagine what they will do if American Idol is taken off the air!!

:rofl:

"Ask not what Britney can do for you, ask what you can do for Britney." :puke:

Time for the new generation to take charge and forget the old fights of the boomers!

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O.M.G. O.M.G!

Did they really take Britney's kids away from her again?

When?

What happened?

I have been busy, so I haven't had time to catch up on all the "real" news.

"Honestly, I think we should just trust our president in every decision that he makes and we should just support that," she said

the administration are still the people from the 60's and 70's , none of those in between (Obama) and the students are coming up behind the 60's , 70's people.
Now that's interesting. Going to play on C Span again tonite prolly around 10 PM

against bush/cheney than this pitiful band you use to denigrate a group.

tsk tsk

It is not the young people who keep Ms Spears and Ms Hilton near to top of the 'issues' of the day. It is the corporate media, which is, I believe, run by people considerably older than those in the pictures you posted to make fun of a generation.

Nice dividing tactic. Real friggin helpful :grr:

am I denigrating, huh?

Do you even know how old I am? Or what generation I am a part of? Sheesh. :eyes:

and which generation you are part of has nada to do with it. The post would be better suited for the lounge, and even then, it would be fairly tasteless.

Seems you don't like getting called on the crass post either. Hey, if it is OK, no need to be defensive, right?

We do not make friends and influence people by snarking posts that play at broad brush smears of groups we would do better to include.

Sheesh indeed.

Saying "Kids" meant that there were...kids!...in the photo. How would you like me to have described them?

Seems to me I'm not getting defensive because there's nothing to defend :shrug: The post had nothing to do with any kind of "generation"...don't know where that came from. If that's what it was about, I would have said so.

So again, no broad brushes here. Just a post about a very *specific* group of people doing something absurd. (And that's even without the context of Bush or anything else. )

insinuating that the war, bush/cheney criminal activities are not what matters to the 'kids', but rather, Ms Spears' self made personal disaster.

You did not say 'these kids' or 'some kids'. No, you used all emcompassing: 'Kids'.

Again, it is not kids (generally or specific groups of them) who control the media and the message, thus the big PR Wurlitzer. It is older fat cats, more invested in maintaining the status quo via keeping the masses pretty well ignorant.

Yes, those few kids are doing something pretty pointless, all world conditions considered. But that wasn't how you painted it in OP.

My generation leans very strongly Democratic and yet we are seared with hateful BS like this. My generation dominates the Netroots in case you haven't noticed. :eyes:

And it's not a good idea to "assume" things. Because This has nothing to do with any commentary on generations or any broad group.

Do you know what "generation" I am a part of anyway?

line? do you have a URL to point us to?

Thank you.

... approximately the same age?

I've never understood why it's 'acceptable' to defend the behavior of people having the same age, gender, skin color, religion, or other narrow attribute when we (should) understand that it's ignorant and narrow-minded to attack and marginalize on the basis of those same attributes.

impatience (--I was going to say snobby impatience, but I won't) with the American people?

You know a lot. You know about the lies and this horrible war, and a lot of other stuff. Good for you. Be thankful that you know. Be aware, too, that 70% of the American people oppose this war and want it ended. But they have been quite deliberately disenfranchised.* And they are baffled by their inability to change things. Further, a very special kind of fascist oppression has been devised for the American people--with subtle, invisible, under the radar components, aimed not so much at convincing people of anything, as at making them feel powerless, and in particular making the great, peace-minded, justice-minded American majority feel like the minority. The corporate news monopoly war/corporate propaganda system is designed to break them, to make them give up on real democracy and accept the illusion of democracy. It batters their minds relentlessly, 24/7, with every kind of disempowering--and also mentally fragmenting--message, so that it is actually quite amazing that they have resisted the specific content on the war.

Be compassionate, okay? Don't pick on some girls out for an evening's entertainment, joining together with friends for some little cause of theirs. It's actually a good instinct--joining together, getting involved in trying to influence something in the big world, even if it seems silly to us. I remember doing similar silly stuff, at a slightly younger age than theirs, but, within a short time, I was a Democratic Party activist (JFK campaign), walking precincts, and a few years after that, in Alabama in the civil rights movement. And I'm sure the early American revolutionaries could have found hundreds, thousands, of instances of people who couldn't care less about the British, but got mighty exercised about a local road or fence being moved, or so-and-so's cows wandering and eating peoples' kitchen gardens, or the local theater being shut down. Tens of thousands of early Americans DIDN'T participate in the Revolution.

How about some pix of the county registrars who have disenfranchised us, and sold their souls to Diebold and ES&S? How about addressing the practical and strategic questions involved in re-empowering and re-enfranchising the American people? What photos could you post that would educate and inspire?

I don't usually oppose negative images on the grounds that they are not positive or feel-good. But I think the American people have been so demoralized and disempowered--and their images of themselves as citizens so severely and deliberately damaged--that it does no good at all to heap more abuse on them, and portray them as stupid sheeple. Yeah, some are. You can always find examples. But most Americans--if the polls over the last several years are any indication, and if my info and instincts about them are right--are very concerned about our country, and very bewildered by the inability of the voters to change the country's direction. I think they need practical advice on how the will of the people has been thwarted--rather than criticism of their inaction.

For instance, in 2004, there was a huge amount of activism to oust Bush/Cheney, and the grass roots Democrats blew the Bushites away in new voter registrations, nearly 60/40. (Where did all those votes go?) There was great enthusiasm and a feeling in the air that the people would win. But almost nobody knew about the voting machines, at that point. It was a totally black-holed story--perhaps the most important news story in the history of our democracy--and word-of-mouth didn't have time to work. This second stolen election was a crushing blow to citizen activism, and it took a long time to recover from it. So you tell people: 'Get active! Work on campaigns! Protest the war!' --or whatever. And in some ways you are leading them to the slaughter again--to being crushed once again--if you don't advise them of the truth, that the elections are rigged, and the chances of winning--even with a whopping 70% majority against the war--are slim.

People who feel crushed don't need to be beaten down some more. And they don't need images of how stupid others may be. They need practical information, and inspiration, to get back up on their feet, get smart, figure things out, and get busy on restoring our democracy, from the ground up.


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*(The "Help America Vote Act"--which provided a $3.9 billion electronic voting boondoggle, to fast-track extremely insecure and insider riggable voting machines all over the country, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by rightwing Bushite corporations--was passed in the same month as the Iraq War Resolution, October 2002, and is closely related to it. The IWR guaranteed unjust war; HAVA provided the means to shove the unjust war down the throats of the American people. It was supported by both parties, and is in still in place, all over the country--although a grass roots movement to demand transparent vote counting is under way, and is making inroads.)

and predictable in many cases.