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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:03 AM Original message |
REQUIRING all Americans to BUY health insurance is NOT universal healthcare!!! |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. and who will we buy it from? I'm sure some insurance company that gave to the candidate... |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. "Medicare for all" model gets my vote too... |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. exactly. health insurance is the only weak spot in Edwards' platform. But 90% |
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blondeatlast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Exactly. nt |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. I Prefer Medicare for All, Too |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:48 PM Response to Reply #18 |
223. Right now the only candidate I am aware of backing Medicare for All is Kucinich |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
48. Seems like it should be illegal to FORCE us to buy insurance, doesn't it? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #48 |
153. As a senior, I will be "fined" by being charged a higher monthly fee for Medicare Part B |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:10 PM Response to Reply #153 |
183. Unbelievable. I wasn't aware of the over 65 situation. That's really pitiful. n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 08:59 AM Response to Reply #183 |
197. For me it isn't, thank god, but I don't know about other, poorer seniors. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:23 PM Response to Reply #197 |
204. Yes, it's impossible for health care to be free. |
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Pakhet (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
212. I'm forced to buy car insurance, most ppl are, and |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
213. if hospitals can be forced to treat your sorry ass |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #48 |
231. Forced health insurance = corporate welfare to insurance companies |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
80. I think all our Dems allow you to buy into Medicare if you want |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:31 PM Response to Reply #80 |
216. except right now you can't just buy into Medicare, you just are able to get it |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 11:55 AM Response to Reply #216 |
221. Expect significant changes when a Dem takes the white house nt |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. I should hope so. nt |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
214. sure smells like f*cking snake oil to me. |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
2. what's affordable when you don't even have 50 bucks to spare? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
157. I think Clinton's plan talks about expansion of Medicaid upward. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:07 AM Response to Original message |
4. What about people who are currently "uninsurable" due to preexisting conditions? nt |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. A bonus. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. ALL the candidates plans would eliminate the "pre-existing condition" |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Well that's good. But I hope ins. cos. won't be able to charge exhorbitant rates. nt |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Clinton's plan limits premiums |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
175. BFD.. limited premiums translates into "tiered" coverage & co-pays |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
66. See my response # 62 about COBRA |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
217. that is the point of grouping everyone into the huge coverage pool |
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Fleshdancer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
133. thank you for researching that and letting us know |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. My pre-existing condition is being unemployed. No one wants to insure me. nt |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
56. Under Clinton's plan, you will have insurance |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #56 |
160. If you have the money to pay for it. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
159. They will go without coverage and care |
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chelsea0011 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. I've seen Edwards speak about his plan and as he describes it, |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. No kidding. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
8. exactly to some people there is no affordable price, none whatsoever |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
9. We must shake the profit motive off our health care! |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:29 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. LOL! |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
83. Thanks for throwing me under the bus |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
12. They all make it sooooo damn complicated |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
13. Buying is fine so long as you don't do so as an individual or can be denied, as is the case now. nt |
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warren pease (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
15. Characteristics of a single-payer, universal access health care system: |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:38 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. Great post! I agree with you 100%. And, yes, Kucinich is the ONLY one |
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cureautismnow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:58 PM Response to Reply #15 |
177. Excellent Post. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
16. That's correct. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:40 AM Original message |
Yep. And money that is those Insurance Co. bank acounts doesn't go to care. It goes to |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
39. Don't forget Bidens plan |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #39 |
155. Naive maybe, but not necessarily wrong. |
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Froward69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. I agree |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #161 |
194. Of course, I know that isn't going to happen though. |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
19. Health Insurance doesn't actually insure you for anything |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
20. Is there a real difference between forcing to buy, and raising taxes to pay for a .gov-run system? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:50 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. yes |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:52 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Yes, because taxes are progressive, premiums are generally not n/t |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. The costs are "progressive" also. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
164. Only if the tax for health care is keyed to progressive taxation in the first place. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Yes there is... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
46. You didn't answer the question |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #46 |
147. I did not post to argue... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 02:46 PM Response to Reply #147 |
206. Your demand for the whole enchilada as you put it can only work if our |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #206 |
207. We're in primary season now... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:09 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. Sorry for my use of the word "demand." That was a bit harsh and I don't think you |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. No prob, I didn't really take it as harsh... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 09:17 AM Response to Reply #215 |
220. In all fairness to your opponents on this board, I think their desperation is what drives |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
53. Yes. Public system = not for profit. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #53 |
110. Even with single payer, there will still be profit in the health care system |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #110 |
117. Yeah, for those providing care. Not for those being middle men. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
163. Yes, a lot |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. Payroll taxes start at dollar one unlike a progressive income tax. You HAVE to pay payroll taxes. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:01 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. Cost control |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #168 |
179. Ihope you are not putting me in a category with Republicans! If so, I didn'tmean to imply that I was |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
25. i bet 95% of the hospital and doctors business office personal |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
26. But it is a boon to the Insurance Lobby and Reps with stocks in those companies |
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daa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
27. Americans need Health Care, not insurance |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
28. K&R Universal Health Insurance partially funded by tax credits |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. yep...what a bunch of crap! n/t |
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Atman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. Well, it keeps the Health Insurance industry healthy. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Certainly does seem that way! Good cartoon! n/t |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
30. But does it put care intothe hands of the treating physician? |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. K&R |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
32. And if Congress does not approve MY plan I'll try and take away |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
34. Either you accept health care as a RIGHT or you do not. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Yes, they'll be able to FORCE you to PURHCASE insurance that will only look for ways to SCREW you. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. You can buy insurance from the govt. The same plan Congress gets |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Which are still private plans. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. So what? |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:07 PM Response to Reply #57 |
85. So EVERYTHING. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. You're still trying to change the subject |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. I did address the subject, EXACTLY ON POINT. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:33 PM Response to Original message |
35. the insurance industry is a major part of the problem.... |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Industry: Health Care Plans... Market Cap 192.4B link... |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
41. If we have to go with a mandatory insurance scheme, I have a non-negotiable demand. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:59 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. and i don't think they're gonna go for that one...too much risk! |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:05 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Clinton's plan includes EVERY thing you asked for |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. i'm not going along with anything that doesn't include getting rid of the insurance companies. n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. No universal plan is acceptable as long as it includes PROFITS for leeches. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Thanks for throwing me under the bus |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. It's not me, it's dems who won't risk pissing off the insurance industry. (nt) |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:01 PM Response to Reply #61 |
78. So throw me under the bus and blame the dems |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #78 |
81. What can *I* do about it now, praytell? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. Support Universal Health Care |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Never. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:15 PM Response to Reply #92 |
171. So how will being forced to buy from a private insurance company help you |
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Beerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
43. We can have it all by getting it from the smokers. |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:48 PM Response to Reply #43 |
176. Could you possibly |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. YAY corporatism! |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:32 PM Response to Reply #52 |
59. YAY killing poor people |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Wait? Why wait? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. The insured don't want govt provided insurance |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Who said anyone would be forced to switch? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Under Single Payer, their current insurance companies won't exist |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Wrong wrong wrong... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:03 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. What do you think "single payer" means? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. *sigh* |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #82 |
93. It's a simple question |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #93 |
99. I'll let you look that one up. |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
173. The majority are NOT satisfied with their coverage |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #63 |
226. They are only satified if they don't really have to USE it! |
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angstlessk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #59 |
225. so, according to you..it is the progressives who want universal health care |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
62. COBRA is the original CLINTON health care insurance nightmare |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Do you prefer no insurance at all when you get laid off? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:50 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. That's what happens *with* COBRA, too... |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Without COBRA it always happened |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. COBRA doesn't pay your insurance. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. Hello? COBRA isn't free. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:19 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Hello? COBRA reduces the cost by more than 50% |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. You may be misguided if you can afford COBRA yet think you're poor. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. I can't afford COBRA |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I see. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Have you ever heard of medical bankruptcy? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Yes, insurance. For a price. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:37 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. No, poor people get insurance for free |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
114. How does UHC magically mean everyone can afford it? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #114 |
122. Tax credits, and subsidies |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #122 |
125. So you're in favor of handing tax money to insurance execs. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #125 |
141. Cuke wants to get "free" insurance for herself (if |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. You don't start out from a position of compromise. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Then why defend it? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #103 |
108. It helps make health insurance affordable for some |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #108 |
124. The issue is we have the opportunity |
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dflprincess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
120. Not always |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #120 |
126. That is true. Thanks for point that out |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:12 PM Response to Reply #126 |
184. It really isn't. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. I am SO convinced that *most * Hillary Clinton Supporters |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. It's made me decide to change my resgistration to Independent |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. $750,000 . . . you're kidding, right? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #77 |
96. Actually, I do live with my Mommy |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
134. The role of Alzh. caregiver is a rough one. Try and get some |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
170. COBRA is no longer affordable for many |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
65. What if I don't want health insurance? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
70. Some candidates' plans will do exactly that. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. If they enact what's on offer now |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Definitions |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #74 |
87. It's not free as in doctors don't get paid. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
112. There will still be incentives to limit care with SP |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. That's funny. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #115 |
123. Yes, and they face pressures to limit services |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Sure, just like every other business. There's no PROFIT |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:12 PM Response to Reply #74 |
88. Definitions |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
102. But the private insurance companies in Britain have not gone out |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. But at least they |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:42 PM Response to Reply #104 |
116. Under the proposed plans, you can get your insurance from the govt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Congress members get their insurance from for-profit, private insurers. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #118 |
128. And it's paid for by the govt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #128 |
129. You don't seem to have a problem with tax money going to profit insurance execs. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:49 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. In reality |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
121. are you insane???? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. There are lots of people who think like that |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:48 PM Response to Reply #130 |
131. There used to be lots more racists. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #130 |
136. see this thread |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:56 PM Response to Reply #121 |
135. I don't trust banks |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:27 PM Response to Reply #135 |
137. Actually health insurance protects 'the other guy', too. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. its not about you, when you rack up $100,000 in bills that cant be paid |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:00 PM Response to Reply #139 |
143. So? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:02 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. ah yes, the "me me me" attitude |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. Excuse me |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. the whole notion of universal healthcare is not "free" |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #151 |
152. Free |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #152 |
156. in a democracy, the government is us |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:08 AM Response to Reply #152 |
198. even with single-payer universal healthcare, i would expect some type of co-pay for office visits... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:21 PM Response to Reply #198 |
208. overuse |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 06:14 PM Response to Reply #208 |
211. that's what the co-pay would hopefully accomplish... |
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Feron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #150 |
188. Health care, like food and water, is a staple of life. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:52 AM Response to Reply #188 |
195. OK |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
182. It's already happening in Massachusetts and supposed to go into effect in California also. |
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blues90 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
76. It would be like auto insurance you get waht you can afford if |
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IronLionZion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:13 PM Response to Original message |
90. It would reduce the burden on emergency rooms, |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
107. Don't several countries, like Switzerland, do similar? |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
111. K&R!! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
113. What happened to selling Medicare on the open market to |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. NOTHING HAPPENED TO IT, THE OP FOR SOME REASON DIDNT INCLUDE IT |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #119 |
145. I know that's what made Edward's plan brilliant so I was |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #119 |
169. that language is "soft" |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #169 |
172. ANY plan would have to go through Congress |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #169 |
187. i'm betting you're right. n/t |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:38 PM Response to Original message |
138. we HAVE universal single payer health care here |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 04:46 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Thank you for providing some insight from a country |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:16 PM Response to Reply #140 |
149. Your earlier attempts are what made me post |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #149 |
162. Hah! |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. We have resources right here to look at how other countries do |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. It is especially the "it can't be paid for" fear mongering that baffles me |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:24 PM Response to Reply #148 |
186. Thanks for your sanity, BelgianMadCow |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
154. Sorry, but that's what we're going to be stuck with |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 01:27 PM Response to Reply #154 |
205. Just wondering if you had anyone from healthcare on your project |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
158. If the Edwards plan strictly regulated those Insurance companies |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #158 |
165. If, if, if... |
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cyclezealot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 07:25 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. agreed. |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #158 |
191. yep, silly or just saying whatever to get elected. n/t |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:15 AM Response to Reply #158 |
199. What I like about Clinton's plan could accomplish what you want and that's why I like it. |
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onethatcares (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
166. That is the point I make constantly |
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kestrel91316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:32 PM Response to Original message |
178. I want healthcare coverage (at a certain modest level) by mere virtue |
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undercutter2006 (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
180. what you talking |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 08:59 PM Response to Reply #180 |
181. But ins. cos don't |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
185. the insurance companies are the problem and need to be eliminated |
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undercutter2006 (287 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:35 PM Response to Reply #185 |
189. the fat cats do do something |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #189 |
201. ... |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 07:57 AM Response to Reply #185 |
196. And? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #196 |
202. There's no incentive to refuse care. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #196 |
209. Medicare runs about 2-3% of expense in admin costs |
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rndmprsn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-12-07 09:49 PM Response to Original message |
190. edwards should jusy bite the bullet... |
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NotGivingUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 12:15 AM Response to Reply #190 |
192. it would be a very good move. nobody wants to do it except kucinich. n/t |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 05:18 AM Response to Original message |
193. Health care market are absolutely ridiculous |
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nancyharris (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #193 |
200. Boeing pays more per capita than the corner hardware store |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 12:43 AM Response to Reply #200 |
219. OK, they pay less per capita/per benefit, then |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:13 AM Response to Reply #193 |
203. Why make it more expensive? To benefit stockholders, of course. (nt) |
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yellowdogintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-13-07 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
218. heck, even if all they promised us was well child, mammograms, |
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JFN1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-14-07 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
224. Thank you |
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Angela Shelley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
227. There is no such thing as "free health care" |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Well, well, well, here we go again |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
229. even republicans like that last idea. I don't |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-17-07 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
230. instead of giving insurance companies checks, we should be writing warrants for their arrests |
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