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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:31 AM
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The Left Coaster: "Is Hillary Clinton a 'Corporate Democrat'?", by eriposte
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 11:33 AM by Emit
Recent comments by Greg Palast had me doing some research and I came across this interesting analysis by eriposte over at The Left Coaster. I thought others here might be interested in this info, as well. It still leaves me curious as to why it is generally perceived that Hillary Clinton is a Corporate Stooge.

The following analysis is based on her voting records. Is it fair to say that other factors, (i.e., her funding sources, stance on Iraq/Iran/War, connections with DLC, etc.) are what causes most concern?

Monday :: Oct 8, 2007
Is Hillary Clinton a "Corporate Democrat"? - Part 1

by eriposte
UPDATE: Also see Part 2 and Part 3.

SUMMARY

This post examines the allegation that Sen. Hillary Clinton is a "Corporate Democrat" - namely, a person who is beholden to "Corporate America" and who is more likely to support "corporate interests" as President than the interests of average or middle-class Americans.

I find that the existing evidence, based on her Senatorial voting records compiled by Progressive Punch, Americans for Democratic Action, AFL-CIO and SEIU, does not really support this allegation. Indeed, the evidence suggests that Sen. Clinton's voting patterns are substantially and surprisingly progressive (ranging typically from 90-100%), including on corporate or labor issues. There are certainly serious issues where Sen. Clinton has unfortunately taken anti-progressive positions (e.g., her vote for a version of the Bankruptcy Bill in 2001), but the data reviewed here suggests that overall, she is far more progressive than corporatist. In the absence of additional or new data, I have to conclude that the label "Corporate Democrat", as applied to her, is inappropriate and extraordinarily misleading. In other words, while it is true that she has strong links to corporate America and corporatist interests, there is little or no evidence that she systematically votes in lock-step with those interests or even significantly in line with their positions. I provide a few plausible explanations for this dichotomy in the conclusions of this post.

Not surprisingly, outside of corporate or labor issues, Sen. Clinton's progressive scores take a small but non-trivial dip to the neighborhood of 80% on the topics of national security and war. This topic is not examined in this post.

Finally, the results discussed here should not in any way be interpreted as signifying an endorsement of her or of her practice of keeping unethical people like Mark Penn on her payroll (a practice that I find hard to understand or rationalize). I sincerely hope Sen. Clinton will reconsider having Penn on her payroll.

(NOTE: I should add that this assessment does not take into account Sen. Clinton's public statements on these matters that may or may not match her voting records. However, since I tend to believe that at the end of the day actions speak louder than words, I believe using her Senate voting records for this assessment is reasonable).

RESULTS AND DISCUSSION

I've divided the post into the following sections for clarity. Note that all of the bolded text in this post is mine.

BACKGROUND/INTRODUCTION

1. Mark Penn and Microsoft

2. Texaco and the Oil and Gas Industry

3. Eli Lilly and the Pharmaceutical/Healthcare Industry

4. Monsanto and the Agricultural Industry

5. Utilities and Energy Industry

6. Securities/Brokerage Industry

7. Labor Rights and Foreign Trade

8. The Banks/Credit Card Industry and the Bankruptcy Bill

9. Lobbyists

10. General Observations on Sen. Clinton's Progressive Scores

CONCLUSIONS

~snip~

CONCLUSIONS
This post examined the allegation that Sen. Hillary Clinton is a "Corporate Democrat" - namely, a person who is beholden to "Corporate America" and who is more likely to support "corporate interests" as President than the interests of average or middle-class Americans.

1. I find that the existing evidence, based on her Senatorial voting records compiled by Progressive Punch, Americans for Democratic Action, AFL-CIO and SEIU, does not really support this allegation.

~snip~



Details, charts and data at link: http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011131.php



Part two is here, where eriposte responds to some critique from DailyKos:

Tuesday :: Oct 9, 2007
Is Hillary Clinton a "Corporate Democrat"? - Part 2

by eriposte


In my first post on this subject, I made a strong case, based on voting records compiled by Progressive Punch, Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), the AFL-CIO and SEIU, that the label of "Corporate Democrat" as applied to Sen. Hillary Clinton is inappropriate and extraordinarily misleading. In response to the post, thoughtful commenter Rene said the following (emphasis mine):

Similarly votes that may pass or fail can be made strategically in order to have a good record for progressives in the party if you know in advance that you will be running for higher office. This diary at Dailykos has such an assessment to consider Hillary's voting record. It is not extensive but it points out the problem of looking at voting records out of context. (...)


I promised Rene that I would take a look at the DailyKos diary (authored by Invisiblewoman) and respond. So, here is my response. In a nutshell, Invisiblewoman's diary may be well meaning, but her approach is based on cherry-picking, and is highly misleading and sometimes just inaccurate.

~snip~

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011138.php

And Part Three here, where eriposte makes some comparisons:

Wednesday :: Oct 10, 2007
Is Hillary Clinton a "Corporate Democrat?" - Part 3

by eriposte


One of the joys of blogging is that you always find some thoughtful commenters who take the time to read your post or analysis carefully and respond rationally. In response to my first post on this subject, one such thoughtful reader Joejoejoe wrote (emphasis mine):

2) I saw Sen. Lieberman use these scorecards to great effect in the '06 Senate race to "prove" he's a good Democrat. On issues from Social Security protection to abortion rights Sen. Lieberman has a solid voting record but his efforts up until the actual vote has always been to diminish and dilute progressive initiatives. I'm not saying Sen. Clinton is or is not guilty of this behavior -- I'm saying take these scorecard ratings with a grain of salt. Sen. Lieberman got a perfect score on some progressive legal and choice scorecards for voting against Alito for SCOTUS, scorecards that ignored Lieberman's central role in making the Gang of 14 deal and vote for cloture on the Alito nomination. Things aren't always as they appear in these scorecards.

3) Sen. Obama has a much broader small donor base than Sen. Clinton. You can indirectly argue this discrepancy relates to corporate support.


Let's kill two birds - or many birds - with one stone.

First, let's compare the Progressive Punch, ADA, AFL-CIO and SEIU progressive scores of Sen. Hillary Clinton, Sen. Barack Obama, Sen. Chris Dodd, and Sen. John Edwards to see how they stack up against each other. Looking at a multitude of different ratings for these Senators provides a better picture than looking at ratings from just one group, because each group has some limitations based on the unique methodology they use. Through this comparison, regardless of their donor base, let's ask who the real "Corporate Democrat" is between them. After all, just because a member of Congress has a large donor base of small contributors, that doesn't automatically guarantee that the member would overwhelmingly vote against corporatist interests.

Second, let's specifically add Sen. Joe Lieberman's Progressive Punch score to the mix and compare him to the other Senators, especially Sen. Clinton...

~snip~
http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/011142.php

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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:36 AM
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1. On the issues that matter to ME: trade and the war, HRC is as far right as Guiliani
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 11:37 AM by Romulox
These phoney-baloney ratings handed out by interest groups are deliberately misleading.

One vote for "free trade" with China or an expansion of H1B visa can be more devastating to working people than 1,000 votes for "liberal" causes like job training for those displaced by neo-liberal economics. These "liberal ratings" are designed to be gamed.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:39 PM
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5. Thank you for your response
I'm not sure that "... these "liberal ratings" are designed to be gamed...", but I certainly understand your concern, and do not disagree, on some of the other points you make.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:44 AM
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2. real progressive
real progressive's keep voting to fund an illegal war that kills alot of people

real progressives take the time to notify countries that their military is nothing but a bunch of terrorists.

real progressives make it so that you have to purchase healthcare thus enslaving you to the for profit system whereas before you had a choice if you wanted to belong to that system

real progressives use every trick in the book to get votes except taking real stances on issues and letting people know plainly where you stand on a particular issue

real progressives need money from all the major corporations that used to cater to the republicans.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:44 AM
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3. People are buying the propaganda without looking at the facts
We are being mislead. And it is easier to feed into biases and preconceived notions than to think outside the box.

we are a lazy bunch of Americans who are buying the propaganda hook line and sinker.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:42 PM
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6. Which propaganda are you referring to?
Your post could be read a couple of different ways with respect to the OP.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:33 PM
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7. Read the article. She is progressive.
Yet few on this board acknowledge that--because they want to believe lies rather than look for the truth.
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 08:20 PM
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8. I read the articles before I posted them.
Again, I just wanted you to clarify what 'lies' you felt we were being fed. Thanks for clarifying.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 12:37 PM
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4. of course she's a corporate Democrat -- just watch these videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Lou Dobbs: Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)
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Emit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 11:49 PM
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9. Is she or not?
:shrug:
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