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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:50 PM
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Could Ron Paul win the Republican nomination?
Edited on Mon Nov-12-07 03:55 PM by smoogatz
He is, to some extent, what McCain pretends to be: a principled iconocalst in the form of a real deal, no bullshit, unapologetic old-school Goldwater right-libertarian. He thinks what he thinks and fuck 'em if they don't like it. That attitude's going to score big points (already has, I think) in the red-state heartland, where all those pictures of Rudy in a dress aren't going down all that well.

What do you think, DU? Could Paul walk away with the nom? If he does, what are the implications for the general?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:52 PM
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1. Wouldn't it suck if the Rethug nominee was more anti-war than ours?
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:54 PM
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3. If that was the case, and you were a one-issue DU-type
for whom withdrawing from Iraq was more important than anything else, would you be obliged to vote for Paul over, say, Hillary? That would be truly weird.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:58 PM
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5. I would hope that no one is THAT much of a one-issue voter
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:06 PM
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13. Who knows that?
It's just more shtick. Ron Paul is as phony as a $3 bill.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:08 PM
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14. Phony or not, you still have to deal with his rhetoric
And that rhetoric is striking a chord with many people.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:53 PM
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2. I think anything could happen.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:56 PM
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4. who knows? I'd say he has a LOT of ground support from the grassroots
but I fail to see the Corporate Masters letting him win.

I have to say it would be amusing, at least for a second or two, to hear my right wing friends who told me to "get over it" for the last few years complain that their votes were changed. Honestly, if something like that happened, then perhaps it would suddenly make the fair elections issue less partisan seeming.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 PM
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7. the corporate masters don't have to worry,
ron paul doesn't appeal to more than 10% of repuke primary voters.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:03 PM
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9. true
I guess his supporters are just louder and more proud of their candidate, so they seem like more.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 03:59 PM
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6. No.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:01 PM
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8. No, but he will peel away a lot of rw libertarians when he loses.
:bounce:



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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:03 PM
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10. MSM doesn't mention him at all in their coverage
of the RudyMittFredMcCainObamaHillary news cycles. There's others running?
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:04 PM
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12. He's the Repukes' Kucinich. nt
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:03 PM
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11. No way in hell.
He's completely anti-establishment, and the Repubs are ALL about the establishment.

They're not nominating a boat-rocker.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:23 PM
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15. No. No matter how much love he gets, the neocons and AIPAC will never
allow him to win.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:23 PM
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16. I'll be highly amused if he does well enough in the primaries to give the frontrunners a good scare.
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Devlzown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:33 PM
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17. The Ayn Rand fans will turn out for him in droves.
I saw a sign the other day that said "Who is Ron Paul?":puke:
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:34 PM
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18. He is last Elections Howard Dean minus the scream.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:35 PM
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19. Maybe he'll go third-party and drain off republican votes.
Wouldn't that be nice?
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:30 AM
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39. Bingo
Using the GOOP primaries has helped him reach millions he wouldn't have any other way. He's raised a nice chunk of change in recent weeks. I've long predicted that he'll bolt a fracturing party after the primaries and go back to his old Libertarian Party.
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zipplewrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 04:38 PM
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20. No
If you actually sit down and listen to him, he is "anti" everything. He'd undo about 60+ years of governmental history, given the chance. Even the GOP has accomplished some things in the last 60 years that they want to keep. This guy is a warmed over Buchannan.
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:35 PM
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21. No
Because he is a one trick pony. I keep hearing he is a nutcase, so it must be true. My father in law is a Republican and said Ron Paul is crazy. I see many DUers hammering that home as well. I'm so glad I don't have to do anymore thinking on my own.

I find it difficult to understand how Dennis Kucinich could like a Charles Manson type of character. My wife's friend (Dem) says Ron Paul is against the Constitution and he's thinks we are winning the war on drugs. She also thinks he pandering to the people who are anti-war. I said to her if only other Americans were so well informed as you... this country wouldn't be in this crisis.

I thanked her for the info and went back to the football game.



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Snarkturian Clone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:53 PM
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25. your friend's wife is misinformed about the war on drugs part.
http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Drugs.htm

"500B on War on Drugs since 1970s has been a total failure

On the issue of drugs, we have spent nearly five hundred billion dollars on the War on Drugs, since the 1970s. Total failure. Some day, we have to admit it. Today, we have the federal government going into states that have legal medical marijuana, arresting people--undermining state laws--arresting people who use marijuana when they're dying with cancer and AIDS, and it's done with, as a compassionate conservative. And it doesn't work."



It's too bad that the only voting possibilities to stop the war and the war on drugs are two total whackos.

Oh, and welcome to DU!! :hi: :headbang:
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:11 PM
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26. No that can't be true
Now Ron Paul is a two issue candidate?

I've been lurking for a while and decided to join in on the fun. :)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:37 PM
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22. Don't know.
He has a lot of support from somewhere, but I think a lot of it comes from independents and libertarians.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:43 PM
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23. no way, the gop will make sure that doesn't happen, the only way Paul has a chance at the oval is to
ala Ross Perot and then all he'd do is serve as a spoiler.
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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 05:45 PM
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24. No, because when you get down to the nuts and bolts of it all,
Republicans, like most modern Americans, do not really want to be free.
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ConfidentialStatus Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:22 PM
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27. Are you saying
most of us are slaves and don't want to be free?
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:03 PM
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29. Most of us are slaves
and don't realize it.

Some realize and live with it, and some are the slave holders.
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leaninglib Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:13 AM
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35. Yes, I am. Whether it's assuming control of their own retirement, health care, etc,
most Americans do not want the freedom to take on those responsibilities. They would rather give up their freedom for security.


"People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both."
~ Benjamin Franklin
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PaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 06:27 PM
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28. The GOP will NEVER.........
let him win the nomination. Not a snowballs chance.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:07 PM
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30. Paul supporters = Kucinich supporters
same thing, different party. The magic happy unicorn faction.

It WILL be Hillary vs Rudy.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:08 PM
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31. Who knows.
If Republicans are as disenfranchised from their current "leaders" as many Democrats are, he might. :shrug:
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:11 PM
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32. I found this interesting.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:15 PM
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33. If Republicans were honest with themselves he would be.
Just as if Democrats were honest with themselves Dennis would be.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-12-07 07:36 PM
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34. Except for the war, I do NOT think any DUers will be pleased with the Paul philosophy.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:06 AM
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36. No.
His poll numbers are often worse than Kuch's, and the RePuke field is far weaker than ours.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:53 AM
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37. No
Goldwater came around and supported abortion (not to mention allowing gays to serve in the military). Comparing Ron Paul to Goldwater is more than a little silly.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:23 AM
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38. He's like Goldwater in the sense that he says what he thinks
and the hell with party orthodoxy; he's also basically a right-libertarian, with a few wrinkles.
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