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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:55 AM
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The Treason of the Mainstream Democrats
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 09:56 AM by kpete
The Treason of the Mainstream Democrats
Click Name for Bio of R.W. Behan
Sunday, 11 November 2007
by Richard W. Behan

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

— Article III, Section 3, United States Constitution (emphasis added)

The mainstream Democrats—represented, say, by Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, John Edwards, Joe Biden, and Christopher Dodd—have not levied war against the United States. Their treason lies instead in committing the second offense: they adhere to enemies of the country, giving them aid and comfort.

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Failing to hold President Bush accountable for his crimes constitutes the most profound obstruction of justice. And failing to contradict his hideous mega-lie clearly reinforces the President’s hand: the mainstream Democrats are now accomplices.


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The most direct and honorable way of invoking such a style is by impeaching George Bush and Richard Cheney. Never in our history have the high crimes and misdemeanors been so flagrant, and the people of our country know it.

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For the sake of the rule of law, for the sake of the integrity of the Congress, for the sake of the country’s future, and incidentally for the sake of a potential Democratic victory in 2008, the politics of truth and justice must be showcased. The Judiciary Committtee must hold hearings immediately, to see if impeachment is in fact warranted—and polls say the greater part of the country thinks it is.


much more at:
http://www.atlanticfreepress.com/content/view/2816/81/
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 09:56 AM
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1. Treason is a crime punishable by death.
Treason is a capital crime, which is why I oppose throwing the term around loosely, particularly when talking about political issues.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:20 AM
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2. So is murder, and how many deaths can we link to THIS treason?
I'm no fan of death penalty, but we need to smack these bitches down so hard that NOBODY will ever try to pull this shit again.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:26 AM
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3. So who's head goes on the chopping block? Pelosi? Reid? Clinton? n/t
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:34 AM
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4. You really want to play that??? O.K..
The administration, with the collusion of the MSM falsified intelligence and terrified the public to get us into Iraq. Congress - though I can't explain their ignorance of that was actually going on - were pressured by their hysterical constituencies - who listened to the MSM and administration talking points - to vote "yes" on the war. They should simply be kicked out for willful ignorance and lack of a spine.

We all know who the criminals are.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:37 AM
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5. Read the OP
He is talking about the treason of the Democrats not the administration.

Bryant
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:00 AM
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8. Are you suggesting that the word Treason can ONLY be applied to
someone against a government? Is there no such thing as treason within a Political Party or Business?
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:09 AM
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9. I'm saying the word has a specific meaning in a political context
And I think you should be careful about how you use it.

I mean i get what you are saying - if I say "Player X is a traitor to this school because he went pro" nobody thinks I'm calling for that player to be executed. On the other hand when you say Nancy Pelosi is a traitor to this nation, which seems to be gist of the OP, than yeah, there is a question.

Which is why in that context I think the use of Treason should be avoided.

Bryant
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:41 PM
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22. But doesn't have to be punishable by death
I actually agree with the death penalty in certain circumstances (while largely disagreeing with the practice of it) but death is one of the sentences for treason, not the only one. Would you object to charging the Bush Admin with treason and locking them away for a good long time?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:54 PM
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28. I would support charging them with war crimes and locking them up...
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 01:55 PM by LeftishBrit
Preferably at the International Criminal Court at the Hague, so as to keep all local politics out of it. (I also thought that Saddam should have been tried at the ICC.)

However, I would not recommend similar punishment for those politicians who merely voted for their policies, as I think that once you start locking up politicians for voting for bad policies, you are leaving the door open to all manner of abuses. There are too many political prisoners in the world, and it's not a tactic to use without the most clear-cut evidence of *actions* (as is present with Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld), rather than just votes or speeches.

Bad politicians should be defeated at the polls, or in certain cases, expelled from their political parties - not charged criminally, unless they have committed definite crimes in terms of direct actions.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:35 PM
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29. I'd agree on Hussein
Hussein was the kind of criminal the ICC was expressely designed to deal with. But Republicans are allergic to the whole idea of international cooperation so you ended up with what looked very much like victor's justice.

I'll agree that simply voting or supporting the actions shouldn't lead to charges (although I would support banning everyong who voted for the Military Commissions Act from ever holding any sort of elected office again) but I'm also loathe to let those who designed the policies to get away scotfree. One example would be Gonzo. He knew what he was providing cover for and he must have known that it was illegal but he went out of his way to put a figleaf of legality on torture. There must be something he can be charged with, even if it's just impersonating a human being.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:40 AM
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6. the posting of bullshit like this . . .
nevermind. what the fuck's the use?
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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:23 PM
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24. Yeah, I know....
the Paris Hilton wing strikes again
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:58 AM
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7. anyone who misreads the Constitution like this author should be hanged
for TREASON!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:12 AM
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10. Your post will be attacked by the leadership's followers,
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 11:12 AM by mmonk
you do know that don't you?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:21 AM
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16. it will also be attacked by those of us who
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 11:48 AM by cali
who don't live in a black and white, simplistic world. The leadership and individual dems deserver thoughtful criticism- however harsh that may be, not knee jerk "hang 'em high" rhetoric.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:43 AM
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19. Yes, my concerns and rights are black and white in
that I give no one the right to take mine away. They have to take them over my objections and I will voice my objections. If one compromises with wrong, wrong is not made half right.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:14 AM
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11. Bush isn't out of office yet
Maybe impeachment isn't happening now, but there is still time for that to happen. The only reason it isn't happening now is because there aren't enough votes for conviction.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:23 AM
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18. bush can be impeached when he's out of office, too...
don't know if that'll happen or not.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:44 PM
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23. It won't
As soon as he's out, there'll be the usual chorus of "ancient history", "move on", etc.

Being president means never having to take responsibility for, well, anything.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:16 AM
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12. yep, it's getting to that point.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:16 AM
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13. If this is the term we use for Democrats, what do we use for Republicans?
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:17 AM
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14. aggravated treason
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:22 AM
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17. Never heard of it
:shrug:
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:20 AM
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15. my letter on a postcard, otherwise it takes 14 days to go thru security
No issue can be more important than the restoration of the Constitution of the United States.

Under the Constitution and with the Oath of Office you took you are charged to begin impeachment hearings for the violations of the Constitution and the Law which have taken place. To not do so, in my opinion, is not only dereliction of duty and Obstruction of Justice but one might say even a treasonous failure on your part. The Constitution is surely more important than our political parties. Please execute your duty to this country and its people.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:51 AM
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20. lol. the funny fringe strikes again. nt.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:39 PM
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25. Actually, The Real "Fringe" is in Government Now
You seem ok with that.... weird bit of projection.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:55 AM
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21. Yep, aiding domestic enemies of The United States of America, like Richard B. Cheney
is treasonous...
k&r
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:40 PM
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26. Progressive brainfart.
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:47 PM
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27. More Like Conservative Denial (nt)
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:46 PM
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30. I learned a new term today - Misprision of treason
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Misprision of treason is an offence found in many common law jurisdictions around the world, having been inherited from English common law. It is committed by someone who knows a treason is being or is about to be committed but does not report it to a proper authority. It is therefore unusual in that it is a criminal offence which may be committed through inaction.

More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_treason
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