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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:36 AM
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"I have not made a Sherman statement." - Al Gore
I just found this on algore.org in a post:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21759787/

I haven't seen this posted here on DU, if so, sorry, I can't see it.

But WTF? This article says these are his own words:

But Mr Gore himself is still somewhat coy on the issue. After winning the Peace Prize last month, Mr Gore appeared to rule himself out of the next presidential race. But when asked by the Financial Times last week, he warned: "I have not made a Sherman statement."

General William Tecumseh Sherman, a civil war general, in 1884 declined the opportunity to run for president by saying: "If drafted, I will not run. If nominated, I will not accept. If elected, I will not serve."

Mr Gore said: "There is no need for me to make that statement." Nor would he divulge whether he intended to endorse another candidate.

He told the FT: "I have not decided whether I will endorse any candidate or not, much less who I would endorse."

But Mr Gore is clearly involving himself in the electioneering. He said: "I have talked to all the major candidates in my party, and a couple in the other party, about the climate crisis. I have given advice and answered their questions and will continue to do so."

Mr Gore himself has some radical political solutions in mind for how he thinks global warming should be approached in the US.

"None of the have proposed what I think we should propose.




So this article, still being updated today, 2 hours ago, along with what's been going around today with this email from his office = :wtf:

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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:39 AM
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1. I can't believe we're still even considering this. It is, by definition, too late.
The filing dates for almost every major primary have come and gone. Gore is out.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:41 AM
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2. well my point is
why is there still so much conflicting information being posted at the same time? This is gonna drive people insane...
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:42 AM
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3. They will still be talking about Gore 08 after the 08 elections are over
"Can our current President be recalled so Gore can be put in his place? Gore hasn't said he is opposed to such a thing."
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:57 AM
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7. that is actually not correct.
only a few deadlines have actually passed. not to say that he is running, just to point out that your statement is incorrect. with write-ins in 3 or 4 states, he could still get in as late as dec 4. not saying will, saying can.
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FreeStateDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:26 AM
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25. Correct me if I'm wrong but can't he be drafted by our convention to be our canidate.
He may choose not to accept but a war with Iran or some other cataclysm before the convention may change everything. Who knows Bubba may need to get his itch scatched again with film at six.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:56 AM
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31. I'm out of date on the rules but I think this can't be done...
except after the first vote. At least the last time I definitely knew (and it was an earlier century), delegates are required to vote their pledged candidate on first ballot. If no majority, then they're freed. So this would happen only with a deadlock in the primaries and on first ballot, something that has become an impossibility under the present media-driven system with money automatically gravitating to the winners of early contests and all the pressure we see on anyone who's behind to drop out and end the supposedly awful state of uncertainty.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:44 AM
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27. Unless the race tightens with no winner before the convention.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:46 AM
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4. Heard him on NPR yesterday
He said it was very unlikely he would ever be a candidate again, and "certainly not in 2008".

As badly as we may want it to happen, it is over, for this election at least.
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CTD Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:27 PM
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32. I posted a thread on the NPR interview
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momto3 Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:46 AM
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5. Gore is not running.
He was my initial choice for 2008, but he is not going to run. During his interview on NPR yesterday he stated that he did not feel the need to make a "Shermanesque" statement. He thought he had made it clear that he was not interested in politics at this moment in time.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16227362
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:47 AM
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6. well MSNBC needs to RE-update their article
it was only updated over 2 hours ago.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:15 PM
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8. could it be that the media is playing us for the stooges we are making
ourselves out to be?????

They keep feeding the Gore supporters rope and they keep gladly taking it up.

He's not running. oy vey!
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:26 PM
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9. He NEEDS to make a "Sherman statement" or Declare his Candidacy.
The Republic vote looks as if it's going to be split all to hell, but we don't need ours split too.

I too have thought about writing in "Al Gore", but, after our experience with Nader in 2000, just don't think it's worth it. He's said he doesn't want it and didn't declare in time for any of the early primaries.

Unless Al Gore changes his mind, announces as an independent and in time to allow organization, I'll vote my conscience in the primary and the party ticket next fall.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:06 PM
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13. he doesn't NEED to do squat
why do so many on here think that Al Gore "owes" them some definitive declaration of intent?
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:07 PM
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40. We're looking for some reassurance from President Gore is all. nt
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:36 PM
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10. Two words.
Bobby Kennedy.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:53 PM
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11. To any that do not understand the above ...
Bobby Kennedy did not enter the 1968 primary until March of that year. He went on to win the Califorina primary.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:34 PM
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14. verrrry interesting.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:52 PM
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18. One year 1968
Not an analogous situation to 2008.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 07:58 PM
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19. Did anyone say it was?
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 08:01 PM
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20. Then the comment is completely irrelevant
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 08:01 PM by tritsofme
Unless we are discussing electoral history.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:24 PM
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21. It may be to you
but it isn't to me.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:49 PM
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22. If you accept that the nomination procedures and scenarios are radically different
in 1968 and 2008, I don't see what utility there is in discussing the matter as it pertains to this upcoming election.

Perhaps you could expand on why this is important to the discussion of our current election?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:06 AM
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23. Thank you for that information. I am feeling really sad about the whole thing.
That info is a teeny tiny ray of hope in a very dark time... :cry:
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:03 PM
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12. Good ideas here from the interview.
"I think we ought to eliminate the payroll tax and replace it with a carbon dioxide tax. That would be a smart economic policy and a smart environmental policy. It would put a price on carbon dioxide."

He would also provide tax cuts for the kind of businesses that would receive investment under his new partnership between Generation Investment Management and Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers.

For instance, he would like to see a full investment tax credit for advanced solar thermal power plants, a technology that generates electricity from the sun with the use of giant mirrors and steam turbines. This would enable regions such as California to export electricity around the US, he said.

He would also upgrade electricity distribution systems to a "smart grid", or electranet, that would allow people to generate their own electricity from renewable sources and sell it back to power suppliers."

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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:39 PM
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15. I think if he was litterally drafted with write in votes, he would accept.
but short of that, no Al for us.

hence, we will get no Sherman statement. I also think hes just using the personal attention from the election to draw more attention to climate change. It gives him a bigger soap box to stand on, and he knows it.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:51 PM
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16. Just speaking for my self, if I believed saving life as we know it
required ambiguity in order to get a larger soap box to stand on, I would have no qualms doing it.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:57 PM
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17. right
I've felt jerked around by the whole thing, but I understand why he is doing it.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:14 AM
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24. I think the time has passed
Believe me, no one wanted President Gore to run for re-election more than I. Still, as each day has gone by since the nobel prize announcement I see the chances of such a run fading away.

I become more and more convinced he is not running.

Julie
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 07:34 AM
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26. Same here...
.. when he joined another corporate board last week, well that was a signal to me that he has other plans for his time.

He's not running, it's pretty obvious. I wish he would, but on the other hand I don't blame him. Who'd want to deal with this bush-mess anyway?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:04 AM
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28. Hmm...do you think he'd accept the Veep post again?
With the understanding that he'd have a share of the presidential power behind the scenes...after all, Darth has set precedent on that one, and Gore would be a whole lot more benevolent in that spot. Plus, having Al on the ticket would bolster the chances of any Dem currently running.

Just a thought...
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:08 AM
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29. I don't think he would be VP again
That would lessen his current role in the global warming education that he's doing. Also, I would think there's a been there done that to it as well. Why should he accept a position as VP when he can do a lot more and be a lot more powerful in the private sector.
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toadzilla Donating Member (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:46 PM
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39. never.
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Nordmadr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:42 AM
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30. While I think the man perfect for the job, I too have
come to accept that he will not be running.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21756222/

I think Al joining Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers is also a pretty good indicator that he is not running for President. Doesn't strike me as something someone planning a run would do.

Olafr
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:29 PM
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33. oh for crying out loud, would you please accept it and move on
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 12:30 PM by LSK
This is getting ridiculous.

Hes not running.

Keep waiting on him and not supporting a real candidate and you have no right to complain about Hillary getting the nod.

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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:20 PM
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34. That is not why I posted it
I already fully support someone. I just don't understand why msnbc posted this even AFTER he announced he was going to work with that firm...if you read again, that is all my post says, isn't it?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:21 PM
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35. Please stop trying to delude yourselves that he is running.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:23 PM
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36. please read posts fully and understand them
before you accuse people of something that's not true. Please see post# 34.
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youthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:32 PM
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37. Gore is not running.
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 01:36 PM by youthere
I know you want ot hold on to whatever shred of hope is out there but you know deep inside he isn't running, you just don't want to admit it.
I would have supported him in a heartbeat if he had declared. I would have quit my job to volunteer for his campaign.
I know it sucks...but he isn't running. I'm sorry. I don't know why the media wants to keep the confusion going. Gore could stop it all with a Sherman statement, or simply by endorsing a candidate, but he hasn't for whatever reason. I don't know. I still adore him and I'll keep my fingers crossed that someday we might have President Gore (again), but it's just not going to be 2008.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:38 PM
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38. I will start sounding like a broken record
please read posts fully and understand them

before you accuse people of something that's not true. Please see post# 34.

Did I say anything other than WTF?
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