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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:57 PM
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Poll question: Which do you believe best describes those U.S. citizens who...
...have given up on the political process and are instead now turning the bulk of their energy and resources toward planning out how they will survive in the post economic collapse/police state America?

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American generals used to say that the wars Bush started in the Middle East would take 10 years to win. On Oct. 31 General John Abizaid, former commander of US forces in the Middle East, put paid to that optimistic forecast. Speaking at Carnegie Mellon University, Gen. Abizaid said it would be 50 years before US troops can leave the Middle East.

There is no possibility of the US remaining in the Middle East for a half century. The dollar and US power are already on their last legs, unbeknownst to Democratic leaders Pelosi and Reid who are preparing yet another blank check for Bush's latest request for $200 billion in supplementary war funding.

There isn't any money with which to fund Bush's lost war. It will have to be borrowed from China.

The Romans brought on their own demise, but it took them centuries. Bush has finished America in a mere 7 years...
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 12:59 PM
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1. survivors.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:01 PM
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2. If you have given up and have turned away from politics, why would hyou continue to participate?
at DU I mean? I mean what would be the point? The joy of watching others try to avoid a doom you know they can't?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:25 PM
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4. The poll question is not about me, Bryant...
... and where did I say I'd given up on anything? Does the question bother you? Or maybe the results you're anticipating? Do you want people who don't think like you to just go away? That's what it sounds like.

You didn't like my question or the results in this poll from May, '06 either -- and promptly launched into the same non-substantive kind of attack.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1259474

If you'd like to help keep my current poll kicked the same way you did this one from May, '06, it's OK by me.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:05 PM
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3. We are screwn as a nation. n/t
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:34 PM
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5. Why are the two mutually exclusive?
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 01:35 PM by Virginia Dare
Can't you continue to try and change the political process while at the same time prepare for hard times ahead? I guess I would call them defeatists, but not necessarily cowards.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:51 PM
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7. I don't believe they are mutually exclusive...
...I do believe a large number of people have lost all confidence in the integrity of our political, and particularly our electoral, process and see very bad times coming, which they must now plan to somehow try and survive. This doesn't necessarily mean they won't vote, but probably does mean they won't allocate the time and money they otherwise might have.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 02:58 PM
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8. Perhaps, but again, not because they're cowards..
disillusioned, some of them lazy maybe?
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 03:04 PM
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9. I certainly don't regard them as cowards...
...I think most of them are frightened and simply trying to be realistic about living/surviving in this country in coming years -- not fun stuff to contemplate.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 01:43 PM
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6. Pessimistic and alienated, maybe. But "defeatist cowards" seems unfair.
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 01:45 PM by Perry Logan
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:10 PM
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10. Kick for larger sample. nt.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:20 PM
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11. Count hubby and me as prudent realists. We're planning an escape to Panama.
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 05:21 PM by mnhtnbb
I don't want to go...and we'll probably try to stay here as long as possible. But the gold (yeah, see the DU thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2272343&mesg_id=2272343) is in the safe deposit box in the Panamanian bank, along with funds in Panamanian bank accounts. We're not trying to hide anything either, Agent Mike. We declared the accounts according to IRS requirements--which was a new twist--when completing our taxes this year.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:58 PM
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16. Good for you, sounds like prudent planning to me. nt.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:24 PM
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12. Why is it an either-or question?
I certainly have not given up, but I also have done some contingency planning.

Are we not capable of doing both things? :shrug:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:51 PM
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13. The question was not meant to imply that people could not...
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 06:01 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
... do both things, however as I reread the poll question my use of the word "instead" does seem to carry that implication. My bad. If I had it to write over I would remove that word.

Of course people could do both.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:38 PM
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18. ^5
:headbang:
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:53 PM
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14. I call them traitors
It is your civic duty to vote, as long as you vote for Giant Douche.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 05:57 PM
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15. I've written in G.D. in every election I've ever voted in...
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 06:05 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...and he never wins. Maybe if he'd spend a little less time with his head in a dark place and a little more time on the campaign trail we wouldn't be in this mess.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:07 PM
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17. We, here are but a "Blip in Earth's Timeline." We are OUT...so we find
places to go where we can weather the coming storm. Depends on you Age...and Affiliation....but many won't ever live to see "The Promised Land."

That's clear since our Dems we Pushed into Power...took their Power and didn't use it.

We are but "A Blip in Time," and for many of us the suffering has been too long and we need to TAKE CARE OF OURSELVES...let someone else carry the torch...and that's what's supposed to happen, anyway.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:44 PM
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20. And Earth itself...
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 07:25 PM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...is but a blip on the Universal timeline. What will have become of the human race between now and the day our planet is consumed by the sun or, perhaps many thousands of years earlier, obliterated by a giant comet or asteroid is anybody's guess. But if intelligent life is out there studying us from afar, and placing bets, I would venture to guess alien bookies have us as about a 10 to 1 long shot against self destruction. "Do they seem to be able to learn from their own history?" would surely be the logical question any self respecting alien bookie would ask itself in determining these odds -- and we all know the unfortunate answer to that one.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:40 PM
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19. Boy Scout Motto:
Be Prepared.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 06:45 PM
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21. A fitting quote for today:
“This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.”

- T.S. Eliot quote


Time to get ready.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:44 PM
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22. Kick for larger sample. nt.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:27 PM
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23. I vote 'other'. Apolitical dickhead smokers who can't be bothered to vote
should be, well, you know.:hide:
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-16-07 10:42 PM
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24. Kick for larger sample. nt.
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