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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:01 PM
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Man gets 4 years in prison for spying on wife's email
Spying on lover's e-mail? Monitoring may be illegal
Austin police have charged two recently with activity.
By Tony Plohetski
AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
Tuesday, November 13, 2007

Shawn Macleod wanted to know where his estranged wife was going on the Internet and what she was writing in e-mails, investigators said, so he secretly installed a program called SpyRecon on her computer that sent him electronic logs with the sites she had visited and messages she had sent. His spying resulted in a four-year prison sentence.

Software programs created to monitor computer activity have grown in popularity in recent years as parents have sought ways to prevent children from accessing adult Web sites or e-mailing possible predators and as businesses have tried to curtail the time employees spend on the Internet when they are at work. Others, too, have found a use for the software: Scorned lovers can track where their spouses or partners go online, whom they are e-mailing and what they are saying — all possibly in violation of the law.

Austin police considered Macleod's actions tantamount to illegal wiretapping and charged him with unlawful interception of electronic communication, a second-degree felony that can carry a 20-year sentence. Macleod pleaded guilty in May. "It's pretty alarming," said Macleod's attorney, Johnny Urrutia. Urrutia said he would be surprised if his client knew that what he was doing was against the law.

Doug Fowler, president of SpectorSoft Corp., which manufactures an Internet monitoring program called eBlaster, said law enforcement agencies nationwide have in recent months sought company records during criminal investigations, hoping the documents would show who installed the software on victims' computers...

http://www.statesman.com/news/content/news/stories/local/11/13/1113spy.html

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:04 PM
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1. Yet George walks free for reading mine.
And we're not even dating.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:26 PM
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3. Amen to that!
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:29 PM
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4. What a perfect response to the op, I couldn't have said it better.
"When will we stop the shredding or our legal system where it is okay for political leaders but criminal for the average citizen, this person should sue the legal system, its a proven failure.

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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:32 PM
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6. I can't put it any better. nm
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:33 PM
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7. But you are being screwed.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:05 PM
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31. Eeeeewww!
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:54 PM
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10. Can't remember the exact quote
but to paraphrase Jefferson, tyranny is that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizen.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:01 PM
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26. Amazing isn't it n/t
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:15 PM
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2. Why is it the little guy always gets busted and put behind bars when
corps like at&t don't even get their wrist slapped?
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:33 PM
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8. Little guy can't argue "National Security"; the largest bullshit phrase in modern history.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:30 PM
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5. OK, so I can go to prison for spying on 1 email account but not several million???
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 10:31 PM by Selatius
Are we rewarding who can violate the most privacy here? What happened to consistency and the idea that no man is above the law?
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:58 PM
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30. there's a parallel here to murder also -
murder one person go to prison for life, mass murder hundreds of thousands and be hailed as 'the war president'.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:35 PM
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9. Unfair sentence
No jail time should have been involved. He does sound like a stalker though.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:42 PM
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11. Forgive me but Texas sounds like a different country. nm
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:10 AM
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12. I would never want to live in a state that is the execution leader
in the Country.
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DFW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:45 PM
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18. Not really.
Besides, we rent out Oklahoma for picnics. Boosts their economy like you wouldn't believe.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:24 PM
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20. It is...and they have the license plates to prove it
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:55 PM
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35. I didn't know about that when I wrote the response. nm
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 06:51 AM
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13. Government contractors might be liable
for monitoring targets for the government without court approval.
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Scriptor Ignotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:31 PM
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14. am I the only one who thinks what he did was wrong
and kind of creepy?
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:35 PM
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15. Nope, so do I
It's showing stalker behavior and frankly I would be afraid of someone like that.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:41 PM
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16. It's wrong and VERY creepy IMO
And no different than what our government does to us all every day.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:43 PM
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17. I think it was wrong
But I think stalking should have been added to his sentence.
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Toasterlad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:36 PM
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34. Yes, It Was Wrong, But Without Knowing More About Their Relationship...
...I can't agree that it was worth four years in prison.
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Beerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:47 PM
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19. Huh.
Spying and wire-tapping cemented w/ legitimacy by judicial decisions. Then again, he's just some white guy committing a hate crime, who's to say? If the court didn't note Mr. Macleod's race, it should be safe to assume that the government should eavesdrop on all known white males in the interest of up-holding public safety and preventing hate-crimes.
I'm OK w/ it.
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:26 PM
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21. Double Standard. It's fine for the Government
but illegal for an estranged spouse.
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midlife_mo_Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:29 PM
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22. If you share a computer, but are suspicious the partner is playing around
I don't see how that can translate into a crime.

On the other hand, if you're separated, that seems like overstepping the law. You have no business snooping around if the person made it clear the relationship is over.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:35 PM
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23. ttt
crazy
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Ravy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:47 PM
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24. I un-erased my wife's (at the time) IRC chat logs.
I was suspicious, and found out she was making plans on moving in with another guy a few states away. We were living in the same house and had never discussed separation or divorce previous to that.

I am not the least bit sorry.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:55 PM
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25. lots of spouses spy on their SO's computers
it's a whole frigging industry
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:03 PM
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27. First of all, she was his *estranged* wife, which means they weren't still together
and that is frightening stalker behavior.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:04 PM
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28. Agreed, very scary
:scared:
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 02:26 PM
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29. He should've hired a PI
They do this stuff all the time, including the keylogging and the physical stalking. So why is it illegal for an estranged husband, but not for the PI? Is Texas justice protecting the PI racket?

Also, if he was paying the ISP bill every month, he may have had a perfectly legit right to know what traffic was moving in and out over the account for which he was responsible. What if she'd been plotting terrist activity, or (GASP!) unlawfully downloading and sharing COPYRIGHTED MATERIALS?!? People need to know what's in their tubes if they can be held legally accountable.

Appetizers for thought.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:12 PM
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32. He's not necessarily a stalker
In a divorce, there's an element of surprise that he may have been trying to avoid. Like plans to clean out the checking account. Adultery, which in some states could have legal significance. I'm not sure he has to be a stalker. There oculd be other explanations. All you'd have to do is change the password. Do these programs get around that?

How to determine when a private citizen is doing an "illegal wiretap." Pretty interesting questions.

There's probably an IT solution of some kind, sort of like firewalls and anti-virus programs. Then what would the Chimpadministration want, to make it illegal?

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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:25 PM
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33. Proposed new state motto for Texas:
"Shit, y'all ain't seen irony yet."

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 05:59 PM
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36. K&R for the comments. You guys are funny!!
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