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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:31 PM
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colorado supreme court oks language of anti-abortion ballot proposal
DENVER (AP) - The Colorado Supreme Court cleared the way Tuesday for an anti-abortion group to collect signatures for a ballot measure that would define a fertilized egg as a person.

The court approved the language of the proposal, rejecting a challenge from abortion-rights supporters who argued it was misleading and dealt with more than one subject in violation of the state constitution.

If approved by voters, the measure would give fertilized eggs the state constitutional protections of inalienable rights, justice and due process.

"Proponents of this initiative have publicly stated that the goal is to make all abortion illegal - but nothing in the language of the initiative or its title even mentions abortion," Kathryn Wittneben of NARAL Pro-Choice Colorado said in a statement. "If that's not misleading, I don't know what is."


more at link
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=80891

proponents say this has nothing to do with outlawing abortion :eyes: you define a fertilized egg as a person, it then gets all the legal rights as you or i.

furthermore, i fear measures like this will decrease the number of birth control options available to women. some methods of birth control, such as progestin-based methods or the iud, can prevent a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterus.

those assholes will get my iud when they pry it from my cold, dead uterus. scary thing is, i'm sure they'd want to.

i still don't understand why, rather than trying to outlaw abortion, the pro-fetus brigade doesn't advocate for better education and better access to birth control.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:34 PM
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1. This is the conservative way: Deception.
The last "honest" conservative was Goldwater, an look how badly he got crushed. Conservatives learned that if they were honest about their archaic ways, they would loose election after election. So they decided to use wedge issues and coded language to disguise their real intentions which is to take us back into the dark ages.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:40 PM
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3. and both sides of that coin are very sad
they keep up with the deception and people keep eating it up
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:43 PM
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5. Goldwater had some damn standards.
These fuckers don't have any standards or decency.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:57 PM
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13. I agree. Goldwater was only 80% kookie.
These freaks are 100% pure kooks!
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:41 AM
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27. Kookie
Your correct. Was told before the elections that if I voted for Goldwater, we would be in a big war in Viet Nam. Didnt listen to that sage advice, voted for Goldwater, and sure enough we landed in a big war in Viet Nam.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:35 PM
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2. i once had a friend of mine tell me he would not support an abortion for a woman...
whose life was at risk from the pregnancy. or had been raped.
he said the woman should die for her baby. it's okay as long as the baby lives.
this is what the fundies actually believe. :puke:
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:41 PM
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4. that's why i won't call them pro-life
they are not pro-life if they believe the mother should die for the child or if they are comfortable sending people to die in an illegal war
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:43 PM
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6. they are the ones that are pro-death.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:44 PM
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7. unless you are a fertalized egg
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 10:45 PM by kagehime
or a fetus

those are the only things worth saving, right? :eyes:
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:50 PM
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8. So if a woman has a miscarriage
is it possible that she can be charged with manslaughter?
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:51 PM
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9. i haven't seen the language
but i'm guessing not. a miscarriage is a medical event. they could try if they say the woman forced the miscarriage, but that might be a stretch
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hulklogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:54 PM
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12. I would think that if it could be proven
that she was somehow responsible for the miscarriage, either intentionally or through negligence, she could be charged.

I hope the people of Colorado are smart enough to see where this measure is really going.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:53 PM
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10. when will they classify sperm as a person? does a fertilized egg also have 2nd
amendment rights?

these people are just insane but they alway get their shit together in time for elections.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:00 PM
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14. i don't understand how they can pull this stuff together
they'd be comical if it weren't so damn sad and scary
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:02 PM
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17. i think that most of them are really crazy but some of them are just doing it
to get something, anything on the ballot that will make the rw lunatic voting block come out and vote. Lets face it, if you'd go all the way to your polling place to vote no on gay marriage or abortion or whatever wedge the gop reliably brings up ever cycle then you'll most likely vote for president as well.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 10:54 PM
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11. I'm having mine scooped out, fertilized, storing them in the freezer and
Edited on Tue Nov-13-07 10:56 PM by Cerridwen
claiming 100,000 dependents.

:rofl:

edit for smaller number as a margin for error

edit 2: someone give the ss admin a heads up, that's a lot of ss#s they've got to generate. :evilgrin:
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:00 PM
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15. brilliant idea!
i think i'm gonna do the same thing

:rofl:
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:05 PM
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19. Yep. That is how you destroy asinine laws.
With "asinine" ideas they don't think through.

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:02 PM
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16. Of course it all has to do with outlawing abortion rights, who runs Colorado?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:02 PM
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18. Oh, that aint the half of it. Anti-choice groups believe the pill can act as an abortifacent.
The agenda is criminalization of oral contaceptives, to be followed by outlawing ALL contraception, period.

People need to wake up about what granting 14th amendment rights to single cells would really entail, and they need to clue themselves in as to what the anti-choice folks really want- they want to outlaw all fucking for non-procreative purposes.

It's about control, pure and simple.
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:08 PM
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20. the implications regarding contraception are very scary
that's why i mentioned it in the op. i've been trying to tell people this for some time but they just don't listen
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:09 PM
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21. noone wants to face up to the true agenda of these wackos.
if we don't fight them, they will get their way, and bush will help them.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:27 PM
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22. It all comes down to one USSC decision. NOT ROE v. WADE.
Griswold v. Connecticut
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fizzgig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-13-07 11:29 PM
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23. bingo
too bad most people haven't heard of that case. i can't tell you how many times i've had to explain that case to people.

of course, if you look at the underlying premise of griswold (right to privacy), attacking that case could have even further reaching and more frightening implications
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 12:42 AM
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24. and the perfect springboard for increasing surveillence of the populace...
all kinds of dark forbidden fruit grow on that fetid tree...
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:43 AM
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25. Yep. You got it. That's the one they're REALLY after.
What with that pesky "right to privacy".
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 01:48 AM
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26. Disturbing.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:12 AM
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28. Is that Fizzgig in your sig?
Never thought I'd see him/her around.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:13 AM
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29. so i guess i can take an insurance policy out on fertilized eggs?
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