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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:46 AM
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US bridge team faces penalty for anti-Bush sign
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 09:47 AM by kpete
Bridge Protest Leaves U.S. Team Vulnerable

Posted on Nov 14, 2007

nytimes.com

The bridge world is in an absolute tizzy over the impromptu protest of the world champion U.S. women’s team, which held up a sign during its victory celebration last month that read: “We did not vote for Bush.” Other players have accused the group of “treason,” and the United States Bridge Federation—whatever the hell that is—has decided its authority trumps free speech, a value some people vaguely remember associating with America.

While there are many villains in this story, many of them predictably stodgy and full of themselves, the French players have heroically backed their American rivals who, they said, “were doing only what women of the world have always tried to do when opposing the folly of men who have lost their perspective of reality.”

The suggested punishment for these poor women, who say they were only responding to questions about torture and Iraq from their international colleagues, is beyond unreasonable, as you can read below.

more at:
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20071114_bridge_protest_leaves_us_team_vulnerable


New York Times:

Three players—Hansa Narasimhan, JoAnna Stansby and Jill Meyers—have expressed regret that the action offended some people. The federation has proposed a settlement to Ms. Greenberg and the three other players, Jill Levin, Irina Levitina and Ms. Rosenberg, who have not made any mollifying statements.

It calls for a one-year suspension from federation events, including the World Bridge Olympiad next year in Beijing; a one-year probation after that suspension; 200 hours of community service “that furthers the interests of organized bridge”; and an apology drafted by the federation’s lawyer.

It would also require them to write a statement telling “who broached the idea of displaying the sign, when the idea was adopted, etc

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/14/arts/14brid.html?ex=1195707600&en=a31d0ad83b5ae938&ei=5070&emc=eta1

via:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/11/14/92313/339

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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:51 AM
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1. First steroids, now this ...
will Bridge ever recover?
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:52 AM
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2. a one-year suspension
Couldn't they just submit to a quick water-boarding and get it over with?
:eyes:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:55 AM
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3. They played their trump card
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:57 AM
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4. Wow, they really got slammed. They perhaps should have used more finesse
But times are rough. I can understand how they might have felt squeezed.


(Yes, Bridge geeks will get it ;) )
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 03:52 PM
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16. Schneid remarks.
--IMM
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:32 PM
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17. Flannery will get you nowhere
:P
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-15-07 09:47 AM
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20. Pass -- I'd say Blackwood, but I don't need that trouble.
Gosh I'm so over my head here. :)

--IMM
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:59 AM
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5. I thought this would be about some construction workers.
Way to go, gals! :thumbsup:
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:02 AM
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6. Ooops! I've stumbled on the names of the US Bridge Federation's Board of Directors! Email too!
2007 USBF Board of Directors

President: Jan Martel, Active, term expires January 2009

Vice President: Bill Pollack, Athlete, term expires January 2010

Secretary: Joan Gerard, Active, term expires January 2010

Treasurer: Steve Beatty, Active, term expires January 2008

Bob Hamman, Active, term expires January 2010
Rose Meltzer, Athlete, term expires January 2009
Lou Ann O'Rourke, Active, term expires January 2008

Here is the President, Jan Martel's email address: janmartel@comcast.net
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enotsk Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:09 AM
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7. more contact information for the USBF and the ACBL
Edited on Wed Nov-14-07 10:11 AM by enotsk
Let's all contact the USBF and the ACBL and let them know how we feel about this gagging! Causing someone to lose their livelihood because of speaking out against their government is another step on the road to fascism in the USA.

United States Bridge Federation
1511 Portola Street
CA 95616 Davis
Telephone +1-530-758 4088
Fax +1-901-398 7754
Email usbf.president@acbl.org
janmartel@comcast.net
Web site http://www.usbf.org/
(source: http://www.worldbridge.org/zones/nbo.asp?orgid=141)

American Contract Bridge League
2990 Airways Blvd.
Memphis, TN 38116-3847
901-332-5586 direct line
901-398-7754 fax
Website: www.acbl.org
Contact details and telephone extensions: http://www.unit143.org/board/ACBLContactInformation.html
They seem to also have a toll-free number at 1-800-264-2743.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:12 AM
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8. Weak and cowardly are the ways of the United States Bridge Federation
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 04:58 PM
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18. They should start a federation of their own, if at all possible. I bet
there would be a mass migration. Though until Bush vacates the White House, they'd perhaps be harrassed at airports, etc.
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 10:34 AM
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9. K & R. Remember when it was unusual when athletes at the Olympics didn't make a political statement
and the ramifications were...?
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:10 AM
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10. Is nothing sacred anymore? first it starts with bridge, then I can see it now
the whiffle ball championship!!!

I congratulate the Ladies. Yes it maybe only bridge, but to me it shows that hatred of moron* is spreading to all corners of society. :)

Cheers. :)
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:22 AM
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11. Well done, ladies...
Sport can provide a powerful stage to make a statement



Sid
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:23 AM
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12. What if their sign said "We voted for Kerry"
Would that have created as much stir?

Regardless, these women are heroes. What good is the First Amendment if you can't use it?

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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:30 AM
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13. That's bullshit! Remember Black Power at the Olympics?




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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:33 AM
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14. Is it really "treason" to announce that you didn't vote for bush?
I mean hey, I didn't vote for bush either.


Oops.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 11:36 AM
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15. Another hissy fit moment:
From Truthdig:

The bridge world is in an absolute tizzy over the impromptu protest of the world champion U.S. women’s team, which held up a sign during its victory celebration last month that read: “We did not vote for Bush.” Other players have accused the group of “treason,” and the United States Bridge Federation—whatever the hell that is—has decided its authority trumps free speech, a value some people vaguely remember associating with America.

While there are many villains in this story, many of them predictably stodgy and full of themselves, the French players have heroically backed their American rivals who, they said, “were doing only what women of the world have always tried to do when opposing the folly of men who have lost their perspective of reality.”

The suggested punishment for these poor women, who say they were only responding to questions about torture and Iraq from their international colleagues, is beyond unreasonable, as you can read below.

While there’s something inherently humorous about a brouhaha of this magnitude over a bridge tournament, there’s also something truly appalling about an organization that claims to represent the United States in the eyes of the world seeking retribution over an act of dissent—particularly one that holds the majority opinion.


The Art Of The Hissy Fit..."an excellent technique" Repubs "continue to employ with great success"

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-14-07 09:23 PM
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19. From the statement about "Damage to the USBF":
2) The VCW have in no way acknowledged that the action has created a serious problem for the USBF. They instead have chosen to go on the offensive by extremely aggressive defensive actions, rather than simply acknowledging, “We made a mistake. What can we do to rectify the situation?” In the vast majority of situations a party whose defined role is to represent another party has a fiduciary responsibility to represent the interests of the principal ahead of their own interests. In cases where an agent or other representative acts adversely to the interests of the principal, they may in fact be subject to legal action. Certainly, the principal has no obligation to allow said agents to represent them in the future.

3) Certain members of VCW have complained that the USBF apology to the WBF and the Chinese Contract Bridge Association for the VCW’s conduct was unwarranted. This reflects a complete disregard for the fact that the Chinese government, which does not exactly have a history of sympathetic views toward political dissent, provided the bulk of financial support for both the 2007 World Championship and the 2008 World Bridge Olympiad. Certainly, other sponsors such as Generali Group and Microsoft will not view as a positive development the hijacking of events which they supported financially as forums for political expression. Again, the VCW seem to view the interests of all other parties as entirely subordinate to their own, if they take them into account at all.

...

6) No principal can provide an agent with a laundry list enumerating every conceivable proscribed activity; the agent is presumed to be guided by common sense. When an agent damages a principal by ill judged actions, intentionally or negligently, adverse consequences for the agent should come as no surprise.

...

9) The USBF is quite cognizant of the fact that there are professional arrangements where a player or players are paid to play in events where the ultimate goal is to qualify to represent the United States in international competition. The fact that a player is dependent upon professional fees to earn a living is of no concern to the USBF, and any such arrangements are entirely incidental to any USBF event, outside the control, responsibility or concern of the USBF. The USBF has no obligation to coddle, foster, or protect any person’s ability to earn professional fees.

http://usbf.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=368&Itemid=167



:rofl: Somebody's knickers are in quite the twist.
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