Disgusting! Police to search for guns in homes

Coming soon to your neighborhood



http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/11/17/police_to_search_for_guns_in_homes/

Who are these unelected "community leaders"?

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THIS will be fun...

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This is all based on consent searches, per the article you posted. No rights are being violated.

Would you be okay with groups of police officers roaming around your neighborhood. knocking on your door and asking you questions without cause?

instead of getting hysterical.

so you can consent before you hand them over...

Consent searches are not new.

but I figure they wont do consent searches for coke and x in the rich white neighborhoods... Or even for guns..


In the last few years, how many school shootings have been done by <black> youths from crime ridden neighborhoods? Whereas crime ridden usually means lower class...? Zero...

How many by mid-upper class white boys whos mommy and daddy have a few bucks? uhh all of em..


The forgotten and teased children of lawyers are the number one domestic threat...

...is that the majority of gun deaths aren't being caused by the school shootings where the spoiled rich white kid goes in and blows away 10 or 15 classmates. Those stories are relatively speaking, rare, so they get big coverage. Where are most kids dying from gun violence? In our large, poor, urban areas.

This policy is seeking to stanch the flow of blood in the areas where the bullets are most often flying.

sane idea.. cure the symptom and not the cause...

Where did I say anything about pumping money into this rather than education? I'm all for trying to solve this problem through education, but that's the long term fix. In the meantime, do we do nothing and continue to let children murder each other in the streets? Are the kids that are dying now expendable because there *might* be a long term answer via education funding?

And having lived in DC for 6 years, I can tell you that funding isn't the problem - there is plenty of money in the DC school system. The problem is that so much is spent on the bloated bureauocracy, along with what is stolen and mismanaged, that the needs of the kids in the classroom aren't even close to being met.

Education is the long term answer, but I would dearly love for more of these kids to live long enough to get that education.

pass the popcorn, will ya? But I think the Founders got it.

.....ask the teenager's parent or legal guardian for permission .....

This isn't coming to my neighborhood.

The police have to ask permission. And the parents can keep the police out by saying NO.

They're trying to get these punks who wave guns around 'for show' to give them up, and not be charged.

That said, I agree with LT Nolan's concerns.

or was that Hillar-ity???

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It's silly hysterical wannabe-fascist shit.

We still have rights, thanks to our constitution...maybe you should check it out. This whole article is about consent searches, which by definition involves CONSENT.

are out of their fucking minds. And yes, I think they are contributing to the fascist state of this country.

But hey, if it doesn't work for you, get back to me when your rights are violated.

About damn time.

No matter what common sense approach law enforcement uses to get guns out of the hands of criminals, the gunners will complain.

It's racial profiling. Let's have the "consent" searches either everywhere, or nowhere. IIRC, the latest school shootings were done by white and Asian kids....

I see it more as "death profiling"

You are correct that the most recent school shooters have been white or Asian. But those cases aren't where MOST of the kids are dying - most of the kids being killed by guns are being shot to death, one by one, in their own neighborhoods. You can barely go a week in DC without reading about a young person, usually black, being shot to death in one of the poor areas of the city. My guess would be that DC is pretty typical of poor urban centers in this country. 32 in one hour at VTech? I wouldn't be surprised to find that we lose that many every night across the U.S. due to teen or young adult gun violence in our large cities.

I want the killing stopped, and if parents are willing to allow police to search in order to meet that goal, then I support them and the policy 100%.

People scream bloody murder, and rightfully so, that the authorities don't do enough to stop inner city violence. If it were white kids, they'd be doing something to stop the bloodshed, etc. Now, they try to do something to stem the violence, and they're accused of racial profiling.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

As you know we're at war with terrorism (oooh!) ...anyway if the NSA (meeting their goals to combat terrorism) sent you a form asking for your permission to monitor your banking activities, shopping habits, phone calls and internet traffic would you sign it?

If you have nothing to hide, why not? :)

We have a winner!

I don't really care if the government knows what I'm doing. After 20 years in the military, they know all there is to know about me anyway. And if doing so meant that someone else's life would be saved, I'd hand over anything they didn't already have.

Without asking.

They're knocking on the door and asking. That's their friggin' job. Grow Up.

after all "we're fighting the war on terror".


BTW I don't own a gun, I don't want a gun and I don't like guns but I don't like police officers knocking on people doors without reason it just leads to abuse IMO.

and walking away if the people say no?

If they asked first, we wouldn't have a problem.

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Teenage murder is skyrocketing. This seems like one fair way of addressing that horrific problem.

I'm not anti-gun in any way. Much the opposite. But consent is consent.

...and I see no problem with this. Parents can refuse to let them come in, and they don't come in. Unless and until they start using such refusal as probable cause to obtain a search warrant, this isn't something I would get my panties in a wad over.

and suddenly the teen is in the "system," now when he gets pulled over, he's set up for abuse.

Very bad idea to let the cops in.

On Edit: yes I see it is at the cops' discretion for small amounts of drugs and will likely not lead to a charge. Still a bad idea IMO.

Sounds like a really great idea to me! :sarcasm:

(do I really need to use the 'sarcasm' tag?)

Wait... is this program being seriously defended at DU? Really?

It seems so obvious that it's a monumentally terrible idea. There's going to be a sizable number of people who will give 'consent' out of intimidation or lack of confidence/understanding of basic rights.

Or faith that there won't be some kind of retaliation, or consequences from refusing.

Imagine the scenario: Three shorthaired dudes with mustaches in suits come to the door, flash badges and as for permission to search the place.

You, a fully law-abiding citizen think to yourself, "I wonder if this is a good idea? Hmmm?"

"Hang on a sec officer, let me call any freaking defense attorney in the phonebook and see if it's a good idea."

Seriously, people. Do you think that a single lawyer in the country will recommend to you that it's ever a good idea to let cops search your home for no reason, no matter who you are or how you live?!

Get real.

group of folks that the police department cooperated with on DUI stops that wanted to take blood and urine samples. With your permission of course. If you seemed to resist, you were offered money. If you resisted further you were made to think it wasn't so voluntary.

Give them a little leeway by pretending it's in our best interest and then act all surprised when they take advantage and the abuse starts.

I see the potential for all kinds of abuse.

If they really want to help all these "fearful parents", why not set up a hot-line where the parent can call in to request one of these free searches? Sounds better than having 3 detectives showing up at your door.

with the ability to arrest, try, and incarcertate ask for it.

First, the response of "no" is rarely final and the police politely retreat and go away. They'll continue to "request".

Next, there is the aura of "If there's nothing to hide, then there's no harm in looking."

Next, as soon as you open your door, whatever the police view in your room and that can become the basis for an investigation independent of the primary and/or initial purpose of their visit.

Finally, no warrant? Forget it. That's why warrants exist. If the government believes you need to allow access to your private home to its agents, you don't get a protest until the pretrial hearings.

One more absolutely BRILLIANT idea from the Bushies about how to control a population who is being slowly tyrannized into submission.

http://www.citizencorps.gov/cc/index.do

Further, the Bushies, who are simply THE most advanced propagandists humanity has ever known, with a lie-spreading infrastructure that is so deft, Hitler and Stalin would gape in amazement (not that they ever had to bother resorting to such subtleties to enslave their respective peoples, even if it had existed then), know that naming these councils "CCC" (which is the name for the majority of the KKK that dropped the sheets and joined the Republic Party (Kouncil of Konservative Kitizens).

Naming their instrument to dircetly rule and govern the provinces without Congressional interefernce (76% of Imperial Amerika is now ready, or approaching reeady, for the dissolution of Congress as a functional entity, not that Bushies would ever be so ham-fisted as Bushharraf and just come right out and do it...maybe Emperor George P. Bush in a couple decades won't have to bother with the charade once the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are fully broken into our new role as Third World Footstools for our evil rulers) the "CCC" tells Loyal Bushies EXACTLY what these organizations are about (HINT: it's not to be found on their phony website) and who needs to apply.

Any second-year marketing student could vouch for the efficacy of the "warm associations" in the minds of Bushies that Citizen Corps Councils ---> Council of Conservative Citizens ---> Klu Klux Klan. It's good PR, good avdertising, and is undoubtedly helping the Bushies to attract exactly the right type of person they are going to need to do the day-to-day tyrannies once the Congress has been further neutralized into irrelevance.

Now you know who those "community leaders" are. The local CCC.