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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 08:56 PM Original message |
Malnourished twins found near dead woman |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. But why were the babies under the bed? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I dunno. If there were no foul play, why were the babies under |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. They don't know |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
37. Perhaps they crawled under there out of instinct |
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NOLALady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
46. Can't crawl at 3 weeks. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. Please. Babies start crawling between ages of 6-10 months. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #48 |
60. OK. I stand corrected. "Crawled" was the wrong word. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. At 3 weeks, they can't crawl and they can't walk. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
66. Really? 3 week old babies cant walk? |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:48 AM Response to Reply #60 |
79. i was wondering if they fell off the bed--or was everyone on the floor to begin with? n/t |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:35 AM Response to Reply #48 |
70. my baby did wiggly her way out of her infant seat and even scootch about at 2 weeks |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:39 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Thank you. That's pretty much what i was thinking. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. I sincerely doubt it. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. they were twins and i'm sure they knew each others sounds...i am the grandmother of twins and |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Well, I find it unlikely. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. do you have children? |
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havocmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #70 |
84. My daughter pulled herself from mid-crib to the end of it |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. exactly...thank you |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #88 |
92. Wow! Now i don't feel so stupid! |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. indeed...very sad and my wish echos yours |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 08:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
117. I can totally see Mom placing the babies on the floor so they |
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shenmue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
2. This is so sad |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. Mysterious. |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
5. well she obviously hid the babies as they cannot move on their |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. The article says no evidence of foul play was found. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. The autopsy did not indicate foul play. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. Yes, I would say it's strange. |
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zalinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
33. Depending on the babies strength, they can |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. Both of them rolled into the same direction, under the bed? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:55 AM Response to Reply #44 |
82. yes it does twins spent 9 months together on the womb would very much seek each other out...i am |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
73. That's what I thought. She tried to hide them from something or someone. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why move to a foreign country |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Since it's unclear as to why and how this woman died, I can't |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. A single parent |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. This woman was an immigrant. I guess she |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
36. Better if she hadn't become a single parent |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:51 PM Response to Reply #36 |
52. It's not even clear to me that she in fact was a single parent. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:17 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. And you are just sure she didn't have friends or relatives? |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. It's always the woman's fault. They have kids just because |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I'm not saying its her fault |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
43. Guess what? A lot of people don't have this perfect life, yet |
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China_cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 06:04 AM Response to Reply #29 |
106. Kids deserve a better world than this |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. I was thinking she was probably tasered |
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fenriswolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. or the women was killed and hid her her children |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. there was nothing in the article that said she didn't care of them, she died |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Wow jumping to some conclusions there! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. Support system |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. How do you know she had no support system? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. A single mom w/ newborn twins |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Again, you don't know that she didn't have that |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I feel badly about it too, its a terrible tragedy |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. And I support a woman's right to choose |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. And the children have a right |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. And if they aren't that what's state agencies are for |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Are you arguing that if someone dies, they in fact were unfit, |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:04 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Good decisions have to happen early on |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Maybe, just maybe, she didn't expect to die. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Sorry you don't get it |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #63 |
76. Do you realize you are blaming this poor dead woman |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:54 AM Response to Reply #76 |
81. No, that's not what I'm saying |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. What the FUCK are you even talking about? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:29 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. Ask again in a civil way and I'll tell you |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:38 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. You post that HIDEOUS shit about a dead woman, and then cry for "civility". That's just rich. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I've posted nothing hideous about the woman |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #45 |
97. Your original response was as HIDEOUS as your attempts to whitewash it are UNCONVINCING. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 04:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
113. Just KICKING this so more DUers can see Ozark's comments upon a young Mom who died unexpectedly. |
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shugah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. there are some things inherently wrong with your post |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:27 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. Its still a poor choice |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
112. choices are made that never have had the opportunity... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
26. How do you know she didn't move here with family when she was a child? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Twin infants, single parent, no support system |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #32 |
40. You're assuming all of that |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
42. Oh for crying out loud. Not everybody has this perfect life, |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Is there a website or email address where every single parent |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:53 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Though its a tough choice, its common sense |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
69. No matter how you try to justify or rationalize your statement |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Sorry, but you're wrong |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. . . . |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #56 |
64. why yes... yes it is! |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Its a pity |
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Ghost in the Machine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. Please point out where I'm amused..... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Spend a day with a child welfare worker |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #32 |
98. You blamed her for coming to this country, without knowing anything |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. We are family! Get up ev'rybody and sing! |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 09:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. Postpartum complication: possibly an embolism. Blood clots |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Inched their way along under the bed? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Maybe she thought they'd be warmer there? And closer to her? n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Unless she herself planned to get under the bed, how would they |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
96. I don't know anyone who would do that, either. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
65. We had to watch for rolling over even in newborns when I worked in |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:21 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. But there were two of them. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
85. twins seek eachother out constantly...they lived together in the womb and know their sibbling |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:58 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. They were three weeks old. You are acting |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. oy ...okay |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 02:11 AM Response to Reply #90 |
99. stop feeding the trolls |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:02 AM Response to Reply #86 |
91. yes as twins they could and would move together in one direction...towards each other |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. I don't find it plausible. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 01:12 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. do you have children? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 02:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
101. She's dead. Unless someone in her family pushes really hard, |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 02:29 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Sometimes even if the family pushes seems like |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 02:46 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I saw that. Four women later, someone gets a clue. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. That's very sad |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
25. An estimated 16,000 Kenyans live in the Kansas City area, Bwosinde said |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-18-07 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
38. So sad. So sad that a woman could have twins but didn't have family support or friends who were |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:44 AM Response to Original message |
77. I guess her mind never left Africa n/t |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:59 AM Response to Reply #77 |
89. I am not sure as to what you mean by that. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 03:52 AM Response to Reply #77 |
104. Care to explain what you mean by that? I'd hate to think that was as RACIST as it sounds. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:21 AM Response to Reply #77 |
115. I guess your head will never leave your ass... |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 02:11 AM Response to Original message |
100. I am amazed by some of the sentiments expressed in this post. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 03:53 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. It really is AMAZING sometimes, isn't it? |
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Tatiana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #105 |
108. Amazing in the worst way. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #100 |
107. Thank you |
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coffee_strong (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. OMGOSH, the comments are mindboggling |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:34 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. My youngest moved all the way across the bed when he was 4 days old. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 05:28 AM Response to Reply #109 |
114. The babies didn't live for 3 weeks after mother died. |
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coffee_strong (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-20-07 07:25 AM Response to Reply #114 |
116. thanks for the clarification |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-19-07 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
111. Those poor babies! |
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