Larry Flynt supports Kucinich

His success is a true backlash to the idiocy that that town seems steeped in.

Kucinich/Edwards '08! :patriot:

if you like to lose! Kucinich is an ass that could not run a bake sale. Maybe he and his wife can be the first husband/wife stewardess team on UFO airlines.

Realize the winner will have access to "the button," will shape our society...

Think about this while you try to sleep at night.

Don't get me wrong, I think Kucinich might just be the best shitty option.

And good luck.

Kucinich should distance himself from flynt because flynts magazine is racist and sexist. many of the magazines cartoons depict blacks as monkeys or other nasty things and the depiction of women in those centerfolds is very demeaning. One cartoon shows a black man at the zoo with a boom box looking at an ape wearing the same clothes and holding a boom box. why do we praise a man like flynt when he endorses a dem but want to silence him if he supports a republican ? so called progressives shoe true colors by ignoring the nasty things flynt has published just because flynt wants to out republicans gone wild. if hitler came back to life and endorsed dems would we look the other way?
show some principle and tell kucinich to stay away from racists like flynt.

true progressives are for freedom as long as it does not affect other people. larry flynt is a free speach advocate. Alot of people do not agree with racist you do not have to purchase his magazine. Also just like our politicians in the white house one cannot stay with people cut from the same cloth. larry flynt comes from pornography yes. His views may not be the same as alot of people.

he sells a magazine, if you don't like it dont buy it

he supports the constitution and fights for our freedoms

he smells out hypocracy and exposes it for all to see

this is a man i want on my side if i am defending the constitution because he has been defending his constitutional right much harder and much longer then you have.

The particular cartoon you cite appeared in a Flynt magazine 25 fucking years ago. I challange you to link to another racist cartoon in a flynt magazine. Just one more. Go ahead. "Many of the magazines cartoons depict balcks as monkeys" my ass.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1363696#1374108

I'm not going through them all now, as I'm at work, but it wouldn't surprise me if I'd linked some other racist ones in there as well.

(you have to copy and paste the links from there, because I didn't want them showing up in the post itself)

Nothing depicting any monkeys. :shrug:

In fact, only one even had a representation of a black person. And that one was irrelevant to the cartoon. Many of the images were over the top gross - in a sexual way. But I didn't even find them sexist or misogynist.

I think if people want to call Larry Flynt racist they need a little more to back it up than one 25 year old cartoon.

don't qualify all by themselves - at least not for me. You?

they must have changed since the last time I posted them.

then be specific... which ones, and specifically why?

I'm willing to listen. But snide comments about my judgment of sexism aren't going to convince me, I'm sure of that.

Educate away if you like.

edit to add: of course the orignal accusation was racism, which is still unproven.

The very first one is an image, being marketed to men, of a naked woman being run through a meat grinder. I'm sorry to be snippy, but your response was that "depictions of sex don't qualify all by themselves, at least not for me."

I'm very much at a loss as to how to proceed in conversation after that.

One of the links has a racially stereotyped caricature of a black woman with no pants on, on display at a science fair. As if that's not bad enough right there, she is on display next to insects. The caption below her crotch reads "Crab farm."

Perhaps someone else can explain to you why that might be considered racist.

as far as I could tell, was to make fun of the juxtaposition with "ant farm," next to someone having crabs as a "crab farm". I didn't see any intent to compare the race of the person depicted as "insect like" in any way. In fact, the race was really irrelevant to the joke (however lame the joke). That one is really a reach on your part.

As for the meat grinder, I didn't see that one before - I thought the Hustler list started one link below that. I just went now and looked at it. And yes, I can't defend that. Waaay out of line and sexist (Although still not racist). As for the rest, I'm still at a loss to see the "sexism".

You'll have to excuse me if I've just heard waaay to many people, here and elsewhere, conflate sexual with sexist. There is a difference you know.

there is a man sexually assaulting a woman with a giant jack hammer. She's crying out in pain, and the guy is saying that if she'd just relax, it wouldn't hurt so much.

In another, a woman has committed suicide, and the man is complaining because it seems he's not getting any tonight as a result.

In another, a woman has been smashed through a wall, and is lying face down in the rubble. The guy is saying (again) that if she'd relax, it wouldn't hurt so much. (Recurring theme here)

In another, a woman is talking presumably about a sex act they've just watched on tv, saying it's repulsive, and she would not want to do that - she'd have to be unconscious to do it. The guy is sitting with a hammer, poised to smash her over the head so he can recreate the sex act without her consent.

In another, a doctor has just ejaculated on the face of a woman who is incapacitated in a hospital.

Another is a link to an article about how to have good sex with "retarded girls."

Another is a link to pedophilia fantasies with photos in case your memory's faded.

Regarding the Chester the Molester cartoons (why is that even a series there?): "Dwayne Tinsley, close personal friend to Flynt, and the creator of the Hustler cartoon “Chester the Molester,” which depicted pre-teen girls of all races being molested, was convicted in 1990 of sexually abusing his daughter. When he was released from prison, after serving his time, Flynt hired him back on at Huster."

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I am quite impressed that you are managing to interpret the black woman with crabs as NOT being racist - here's the link for lurkers who want to see what Truth2Tell doesn't have a problem with: hustlingtheleft.com/gallery/hustlerhalf/Images/HustlerSHalf34.jpg

Here are other images I'm sure Truth2Tell doesn't find racist:

hustlingtheleft.com/gallery/hustlervertical/Images/HustlerS7.jpg
hustlingtheleft.com/gallery/hustlervertical/Images/Hustler2S50.jpg
hustlingtheleft.com/gallery/hustlervertical/Images/HustlerS250.jpg
hustlingtheleft.com/gallery/hustlerhalf/Images/HustlerS64.jpg

And I'm stunned by how obtuse you're being.

Re: the crab farm one - ever see anti-semitic cartoons where jews are portrayed with hook noses, or anti-arab cartoons where arabs are portrayed as dirty, unshaven, and cartoonishly evil? The crab farm one is the same thing, with the wide nose and the big lips. I was googling for some examples, and stumbled upon some particularly vile anti-african american cartoon over at the website for WAR, and the similarities are unavoidable. (I won't link those for obvious reasons, google "racist cartoons" if you want to see them yourself).

Larry Flynt is a vile person, and especially since Kucinich himself hasn't commented on this endorsement, you do him no favors to defend a racist, misogynist shitbag like Larry Flynt.

Would the crab cartoon have been racist to you if it had employed a scrawny white girl... or a man?

But never mind, much of this stuff is extremely offensive, some is sexist, and some uses racial stereotypes. I concede. Maybe I should've read the tiny captions on them before I answered these posts. My responses have been out of line. I will defend this stuff no longer.

However,

what I will say is that people - from Larry Flynt to Hillary Clinton - are complicated and multi-dimensional. If you want to disregard Flynt's efforts on behalf of the 1st Amendment - and for other worthy causes - and define and condemn him in his entirety for the impact this stuff has on our society, then you should use the same standard for politicians. If a politician votes to spend our tax dollars - even one single dollar - to fund the U.S military, then they bear personal responsibility for the small children burned alive by our bombs. Come to think of it, the same would apply to every taxpayer in the U.S. - and I assume that includes you and me both. Children burned alive. Our direct responsibility. That's moral absolutes for ya.

That first amendment stuff? He fought like hell for it - when he wanted free speech for himself.

Meanwhile, he viciously and relentlessly went after women who used their first amendment rights to criticize him, in one case when they were only trying to do that in a completely nonpublic and nonconfrontational way:

From Aura Bogado, of Radio Pacifica:


http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=91&ItemID=8012

Further reading on that:

http://www.notinourname.net/archive/apology-16jun05.htm

Clearly there is much more here than I was aware of. I will continue to learn about this stuff.

I'm sorry if I said things up thread that offended you. That was not my intent. I was feeling a tad defensive. We can all learn.

Peace.

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is his attitude toward women. Knowing he's been friends with that misogynistic ass for years isn't a plus.

but I don't see him as a champion of the 1st amendment, as so many do. his supposed "championship" coincided neatly with self-interest. And he is a misogynist. I don't see that this hurts Kucinich or helps him.

which might mean that Flynt couldn't find any dirt to dig up about Kucinich? And Flynt perhaps has dirt on the other Dem candidates? I haven't been following the horse race... been focusing on Hubby's healthcare.

Flynt acts in his own self-interest, which happens to include outing those who are hypocrites.

Porn over Fox,

Dennis over Hillary,


Any.day.of.the.week.and.twice.on.election.day.

By his daughters Tonya's account, Mr. Flynt sexually abused her for at least eight years as a child and subsequently (needless to say) did tremendous damage to her.

She has in the past decade been brave enough to speak out amidst all the delusional adoration of this man, Larry Flynt.

People would better benefit to learn more of the honest truth about Larry Flynt and not the bought and paid for disneyfied version about him.

One will only hope Mr. Kucinich will look further into what has been a VERY ROSY picture painted of Mr. Flynt, which is apparently anything but remotely accurate.

For those who are not "Hustler" enthusiasts, Mr. Flynt has pedophile authors employed as his writers, like the individual who authors the lovely animation "Chester the molester".

By the way, the author of "Chester the Molester" was imprisoned for repeatedly raping his daughter.

Mr. Flynt also has images of women being ground through meat grinders, and jack hammers being drilled into women's private areas.

First Amendment?

Hahahaha.

Is that what they call it?

It's shock photography called pornography, and its about the money, power and domination over women and those whomever he can victimize.

That is Mr. Flynt's Mode of Operandi.

Oh and the First Amendment - talk to those who have tried to actively speak out about him.

One set of rules for Mr. Flynt and harassment, intimidation and no rules apply to those who speak out against Mr. Flynt.

Imagine if he targeted animals, classified "minorities" or even other white men in his magazines like he does women?

He wouldn't be able to because he'd be arrested or ironically, censored.

What's even more ironic is how he has threatened and/or censored those telling the truth about his own dispicable actions.

In addition he certainly wouldn't have gotten Oliver Stone to so enthusiastically and mythically create a totally inaccurate misleading film depicting Mr. Flynt as some sort of first Amendment crusader.

The man was called a "monster" on Charlie Rose by his own daughter, Tonya, who has been courageous, probably been threatened numerous times to speak up about what he did to her as a child and has done to women and the image of women overall.

For individuals like Oliver Stone to try and paint this predatory person a first amendment savior does more damage to the truth akin to what this Administration is doing to the truth as well.

The same thing. Different glossy front page.

It certainly is not honest or accurate.

Next Charles Manson will be winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

operatives like Carville and McAuliffe, and far more interested in the Bill of Rights and the common good than those they represent. Of course, those who think sex (or sex other than their preferred variants) or that free speech (or speech they don't like) is dirty and sinful will disapprove. They will make themselves know by their usual holier-than-thou posturing.