Yes Virginia, there is a link, a strong one, between global warming and war.

I love it. Code Pink goes to a Hillary dominated PR event on global warming and confronts her about her pro-war stance. The message: You can't be for war, which Clinton is, and against global warming. Now we have people here at DU saying the protesters were off topic, rude (war's kinda rude too) and otherwise obsessed that some protocols of civility had been broken. :eyes:

Wars are about resources and industrial rivalry. Nearly the entire history of war in the 20th century is about resources:
Woodrow Wilson in a rare moment of candor said: "Is there any man, is there any woman, indeed, is there any child that does not know that war in the modern age is caused by industrial rivalry".

Wilson was only talking about the "big wars". The "little wars"--terrorism by any definition-- fought in hundreds of places in the 20th century by the US were about getting resources as cheaply as possible from lesser-developed regions.
This war in Iraq is precisely about oil and control of the oil rich Middle East. Fossil fuel burning is a main cause of global warming. If the war is stopped, the oil fascists will lose power and this could open up the possibility of developing renewable alternatives in a substantitive way when the cost of oil goes up and people realize that the cost at the pump isn't the true cost (read: body bags and other war costs).

Big oils power must be broken before renewables are brought on line. Why do you think all of these inventions of renewable technology have never taken hold in a substantitive way in the US? Visit the Environmental and Energy forum, there are many alternatives to oil, nukes, coal, etc. The technology is already there to make the switch, but it is the oil fascists who have a hammerlock on policy and the Press as they have for over a century.

Carter's DOE program had a goal to make the US 20% dependent on solar by 2000. This brought on the ire of Big Oil. The DOE program was shitcanned immediately when Raygun-Bush came into office. Reagan, in a gesture to let the oil companies know whose side he was on, tore off the solar panels on the White House that Carter had installed. Poppy smiled broadly and ingratiated himself even further with his Big Oil buddies, a relationship that goes back to Dresser and Prescott working for Dresser. By the end of Rayguns second term the US was more dependent on ME oil than before.

from bombs, oil spills.

The cost of gasoline should not be calculated soley at the pump.

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Headline read "Yes, Virginia, There is a Santa Claus."

Clinton is not for more wars. That is ridiculous.

Global Warming=Diminished Natural Resources or confidence in obtaining them in the future=Aggressive pursuit of them, at any cost.

Wait until we have wars over water.

that a lot of people at DU don't make the connection between war--global warming--and energy use.

Important stuff, even though obvious to the smart people at DU.

or they would never have done this.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

"Before Hillary officially established her exploratory committee, she began directly competing with the vice president for money, sometimes even at his own fund-raising events. When Tipper's friend Melinda Blinken and a group of women planned a Gore fund-raiser in Los Angeles, Hillary insisted on being invited—over the objections of the event's organizers. Hillary then shocked the vice president's supporters by soliciting donations for herself in front of Tipper."

Why would Hillary Clinton do this to the Gores in California, when she was only running in New York and Al Gore was running a national campaign? I believe it's because this was a set up from the beginning and if there was a "vast right wing conspiracy" as Hillary Clinton stated, it was actually aimed at Al Gore as a back door strategy to keep him from coming to power. The only question I have is when did the Clintons join the conspiracy, was it after Dick Cheney announced he wouldn't run for President after he chose him self as Bush's Vice-Presidential running mate or before?

Personally, I believe Bill Clinton screwed his loyal Vice-President over three times before Al Gore ever reached the podium at the 2000 convention that was to nominate him for the Presidency.

The first time was the adolescent throw back affair it self, this is when Bill Clinton forgot the theme song from his own 92 convention, Fleetwood Mac's "Don't Stop Thinking About Tomorrow", I still have ambivalent feelings whenever I hear that song. This also told me Bill Clinton didn't truly believe the looming catastrophe of Global Warming was for real, or he wouldn't have jeopardized his Vice-President's upcoming election. I believe as bad as this was, it wasn't insurmountable because it was primarily a betrayal against his own family and many would consider this private behavior.

The second and much more devastating betrayal against Al Gore was when Bill Clinton looked the American People in the camera lens and told them quite adamantly that he never had sexual relations with that woman. The only question I have regarding this incident is, did Hillary know Bill was guilty and encourage him to go on national television and lie to the American People regardless? This turned a family betrayal in to a national one, he lied to everyone at this point, he and certainly Al Gore would've been much better off had he kept his mouth shut or at least admitted the truth up front, because this act gave Bush the integrity issue ammunition on a silver platter. Bush's cronies knew it as well, that's why he ran on "restoring honor and integrity to the White House" and that's why the corporate media slandered and libeled Al Gore relentlessly within weeks after Clinton's impeachment, morphing Clinton's lie of "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" in to a smear job of "Al Gore claimed to the invented the Internet" being just one example of many" lies the media used in transferring the sins of the President on to the Vice-President.

The third time was at the 2000 convention it self, read the bold-ed paragraph below and couple that with what seemed like a ten minute self aggrandizing walk down the hall way, when he could've used that precious national prime time air time to promote Al Gore for President. There was nothing delicate about he walk down the hall way at the convention. It was always about Bill until Hillary supposedly had him by the short hairs and then it was always about Hillary, this is a large reason as to why we have Cheney/Bush in the White House today, why we're in Iraq, why we torture and why the Constitution has been turned in to toilet paper, etc. etc.

"During his all-night conversation with Ken Burns in June, Bill "spoke movingly of the Democratic National Convention that was coming," Burns recalled, "and how because he was on the backside of scandal and impeachment he had a more delicate role to play."

I can't help but be amazed by people who claim Al Gore made a mistake by not using Bill Clinton more. Should your "friend' and boss stab you in the back once, one could make an excuse for them and say, hey he just tripped with that Bowie Knife in his hand and it was an accident. If the same "friend"; whom you stood up for when he needed you the most, then stabbed you in the back twice, you might still forgive them and say, he just tripped with the Bowie Knife in his right hand and the K-Bar in his left hand, that too was an accident. Now if the same "friend" stabs you in the back three times, you might begin to question their loyalty and say he just tripped with the Bowie Knife in his right hand, the K-Bar in his left, but where in the hell did that rusty butter knife come from!? I believe between that and those people screaming from the side lines for you to give your "friend" another chance, would be enough to make anybody want to go to Spain for a while and grow a beard.

Final conclusion, does anyone see any irony in the corporate media's 180 on the Clintons; people they waged a witch hunt against from the beginning to the end of his eight years in office. Today the same corporate media believe the same man should be our nation's very first First Gentleman, only they're having difficulty using that term, it's more like First Spouse or First Husband, even though First Gentleman would be a more applicable counter title to First Lady.

I believe their primary target was Al Gore from the beginning precisely because he empowered the people when he became the primary political champion of the Internet while he was in Congress and later as Vice-President, thus threatening their monopoly on information, information = money, power and influence and as the Internet grew in power and influence they came to resent Al Gore for it. I call this the Prometheus Effect and if Al Gore is analogous to Prometheus, Hillary Clinton is the corporate media's Pandora for the people.

error for the country by not pursuing Poppy Bush's crimes, BCCI, Casolaro's death, etc. A number of DU'ers: Octafish, Seemslikeadream,blm and others have kept the fire under these issues.

Bush and Clinton are both members of the Trilateral Commission, the "Elite Planning for World Management" group that excludes entirely any input from labor and human rights groups. They are simply Neoliberals--tools of national and multinational corporations.

1. I will always support Al Gore for President, because he has worked to empower the American People when he championed the Internet and was trashed by the media for that very reason and also because he has tried to save humanity from it self by his work regarding global warming climate change. On top of all that, I believe he's the best qualified for the most critical job in the land.

2. I will never support the Clintons for the White House because of what they did to Al Gore.

Thanks for the thread, BornagainDUer.

by second or third choice.

The Pentagon is the biggest single consumer of oil, and I don't think anyone has attempted to measure the carbon footprint of the war on terra.