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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:39 AM
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"SUBORNING PERJURY" is a CRIME! Libby was Convicted of PERJURY - SUBORNED by ROVE, CHENEY & BUSH!..
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 02:43 AM by Indi Guy
(...and Bush's chief of staff,Andy Card.)

I want to see the term - "Suborning Perjury" attributed to the actions of our highest officials -- in the friggin' MSM!!!

C'mon "journalists" -- Get your tail out from between your legs and call this what this is. The leaders of the "free" world suborned perjury!, AND pardoned Libby (the sacrificial lamb) for falling on their temporarily omnipotent sword.

"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

There was one problem. It was not true.

I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President's chief of staff, and the president himself."

"Suborning Perjury" -- Is there a better description of Scott McClellan's account/moment of clarity?

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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:44 AM
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1. Forget "journalists"- we need elected Democrats saying that phrase on TV.
I'm not sure why Republican paid television personalities are supposed to repeat our talking points for us...
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:48 AM
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3. The "journalists" control the echo chamber...
No?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:57 AM
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5. Right. And since when do they repeat our talking points for us?
I'm saying that if DEMS really wanted to get this talk started, they need to go on TV and start talking.

No one is holding a gun to DEMS telling them not to say certain things on TV...
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:16 AM
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6. I take back my objection to your previous post...
You make perfect sense.

If the Dem leadership lacks the guts to call things as they are -- "Suborning Perjury issues" will go the way of "Habeas Corpus concerns."

Sorry for objecting before listening. :blush:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:20 AM
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7. No worries- I typed it b/f I read post #4...
One way or the other, I'd love to see DEMS make an issue out of it...
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:28 AM
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8. Well Let's Publicize the legal term "Suborning Perjury"...
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 03:36 AM by Indi Guy
Bush, Cheney, Rove, Card -- all Suborned Libby's perjury -- which Libby was indicted & convicted and pardoned of!?
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:57 AM
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4. But You're Entirely Correct!
After additional thought -- all the Dem candidates need to use the term, "Suborning Perjury" when referring to this issue.

Then the echo chamber will have much to echo!!
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:45 AM
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2. McClellan was not normally under oath during press conferences
Just sayin'.

:shrug:
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:31 AM
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9. McClellan is the tail wagged by the dogs...
The dogs are the story here.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:18 AM
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12. How can you suborn something that didn't happen?
They didn't induce McClellan to lie under oath.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/perjury
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:58 AM
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14. true - however
whether scottie knowingly or unknowingly passed along the meme - this is one more set of lies put out by the bushies



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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:04 AM
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15. Yup
It's been nothing but one big long string of lies from January 20, 2001 till now.
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:46 PM
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27. Actually the lies began before then; and the Supremes "elected" to look past it..
;)
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 03:55 AM
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10. ?
??
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Didereaux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:09 AM
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11. NO suborning perjury! conspiracy to obstruct and obstruction maybe n/t
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:53 AM
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21. Well, yes. Since Scooter was also convicted of Obstruction of Justice..
..you can add conspiracy to obstruct to the charges.

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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:50 AM
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13. correct me if I'm wrong
but I think the Plame investigation by Fitzgerald is still open - it may have been put on the back burner after the Libby conviction but it's still an open case

with scottie-dog's book implicating bush, rove, and cheney in the outing of Plame and subsequent cover-up and lies - I think Fitzgerald would want to interview scottie

talking heads were speculating that scottie felt betrayed, manipulated and used by the bushies and this was the REAL reason for resigning.

the next set of questions are will Fitzgerald persue this? if Fitzgerald does talk to him - how forthcoming will scottie be? will the bushies try to throw a cloak of executive priviledge over scottie to prevent him from talking freely? Will the congressional dems investigate further? hearings with Scottie in the hot seat?
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:45 PM
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25. You are correct. Fitzgerald can subpoena McCellan...
What I'm not sure of is whether or not Bush can invoke executive privilege & keep Scott from testifying (given that he's no longer in the employ of the executive branch).
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Oeditpus Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:28 AM
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16. Your point?
George W. Assbucket and Beelzebub Cheney have already skated more than Hans Brinker on ephedra. I swear to you, I believe they could walk across Columbus Circle at high noon on a Friday, naked except for clown shoes and firing randomly with automatic rifles, and the Secret Service would swoop them into a black van and drop a "mind-cleansing" bomb on the area so no one would remember.

If Reagan was Teflon, W and Darth are Kevlar dipped in Kryptonite.

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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:57 AM
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22. My point is clear, if you read my post...
The friggin' MSM needs to grow some nads & call this what it is!
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:36 AM
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17. I don't know why all related threads aren't being k+r'd. This is of the utmost importance. n/t
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:47 AM
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18. Why do any of you believe Scotty now?
They are all LIARS. Nothing they say has one tiny bit of credibility. They LIE and then LIE again and then LIE about their Lying. We have known from the very beginning that they are all deeply involved. Scotty was shown as the LIAR he is by the Libby trial. He is just trying to make himself look good by saying he was duped. I mean come on.........
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:18 AM
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19. Um, while possible that they did subborn with Libby....
Scottie's book is just an anecdote, not hard evidence.

Second, Libby was NOT pardoned! We would be much better off if he had been. You see, a pardon makes 5th amendment protections moot, and the pardoned can be compelled to testify.

-Hoot
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 02:38 PM
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28. Godo point
...unfortunately.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:20 AM
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20. Bush is having PADS of commutation and pardon forms printed.
They'll be printed on parchment, matted and framed like diplomas. He'll be handing 'em out by the dozens.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:07 PM
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23. "Libby was Convicted of PERJURY - SUBORNED by ROVE, CHENEY & BUSH!"
Possibly, but McClellan's statements in his book aren't evidence of that.

You'd need to get Libby to sing...and he never will.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 12:08 PM
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24. I hope the next President makes investigating and prosecuting the crimes of the last a priority.
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Indi Guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 01:11 PM
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26. I want Cheney/Bush prosecuted now. Fitz hasn't closed the case. nt
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