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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:22 PM
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Poll question: Did the Kean Commission cover up the truth about 9/11?
Again, this is not a question about conspiracy. I was intrigued by some of the responses I received in the poll question about a Warren Commission cover up, or lack of one, so I was wondering if people here had some of the same feelings about a more recent tragedy that had a subsequent investigation into the truth of what happened.

Did the Warren Commission cover up the truth about JFK's assassination?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=389
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:26 PM
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1. If they knew it in the first place, yes.
IBTM!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:31 PM
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2. Of course they did, dude...
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 04:32 PM by zidzi
some of the people on that 9/11 commission(whatever the hell that 1984 term means)..well, that's their job to cover up what they don't think(in their opinion) The People can handle.

TPTB didn't think We The People could handle the truth about JFK's assassination either..and who knows what else they're covering up under the pretense of NTKB.
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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 04:40 PM
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3. Undoubtedly.
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 04:40 PM by reprehensor
I prefer to think of it as the Zelikow Commission. It was Zelikow who directed the cover-up;

Why is the commission bending over backwards to please the White House when it's supposed to be fiercely independent and bipartisan, made up of five Republicans and five Democrats?

The answer may lie in the little-known fact that the White House has a friend on the inside. And not just any friend, either.

His name is Philip D. Zelikow, the executive director of the commission. Though he has no vote, the former Texas lawyer arguably has more sway than any member, including the chairman. Zelikow picks the areas of investigation, the briefing materials, the topics for hearings, the witnesses, and the lines of questioning for witnesses. He also picks which fights are worth fighting, legally, with the White House, and was involved in the latest round of capitulations – er, negotiations – over Rice's testimony. And the commissioners for the most part follow his recommendations. In effect, he sets the agenda and runs the investigation.

He also carries with him a downright obnoxious conflict-of-interest odor, one that somehow went undetected by the lawyers who vetted him for one of the most important investigative positions in U.S. history.


Ex-CIA Mel Goodman fleshes it out more generally, in his 2005 House Testimony;

The 9/11 Commission had the broadest mandate of any commission in the history of the United States. With the exception of the Pearl Harbor Commission there has probably been no more important national security commission, but in terms of broad mandate, the 9/11 Commission could have looked at any aspect of this tragedy, and it’s regrettable that they didn’t do that.

Let me briefly look at the Commission itself… what this country needed was an independent, non-partisan commission. The Commission wasn’t non-partisan, it was presented to us as bi-partisan; but when you appoint a group of people, 5 Democrats and 5 Republicans, that is certainly not non-partisan, and I would argue that it’s not even bi-partisan, it’s balanced partisanship. And you look at the Commission’s report, time and time again, to see where the Democrats on the Commission checked the views of the Republicans checked the views of the Democrats, so forget this notion that this was some sort of bi-partisan commission, it wasn’t, it was balanced partisanship, and it did a great deal of harm to the final product.

Also if you look at the makeup of the Commission here you have an insufficiency in the kinds of people who were picked to be on the Commission, and I’m not going to look at the Commission members one by one, but the fact of the matter is this is a group of people without any intelligence experience at all. This is not a group of people— not one individual on this Commission had ever received a President’s Daily Briefing report, had never been involved as a consumer of intelligence, had very little understanding, and that was particularly true of one of the chairmen, the Governor from New Jersey, who admitted he had no understanding of the intelligence community whatsoever.

So there was insufficient stature, insufficient experience, insufficient knowledge of intelligence, and this was totally relevant to what needed to be done. It would have been very easy to get a Blue Ribbon commission. Where were people such as Sam Nunn, William Perry, George Schultz, General Brent Scowcroft, Bill Bradley, David Boren, Gary Hart, even Warren Rudman. People who had served on the intelligence committees, who had studied the problem of intelligence and policy very closely and may have had a contribution to make on the importance of change on the intelligence community.


Lee Hamilton is a cover-up artiste, as well;

The bank's (BCCI's) immunity from regulation and prosecution in the ensuing Reagan years became notorious. As treasury secretary, James Baker flagrantly declined to prosecute BCCI after it had been exposed for illegally acquiring First American. A former National Security Council economist told author Johanthan Beatty that "Baker didn't pursue BCCI because he thought a prosecution of the bank would damage the United States reputation as a safe haven for flight capital and overseas investments." A simpler explanation might be that Baker knew what secrets could be told by the highest-level surviving BCCI officials."

The full story of BCCI was never officially told, nor was the story of the Republican countersurprise. The Iran-Contra hearings successfully covered up the arms shipments to Iran before 1984, and the House Task Force investigation of the Republican Surprise went nowhere. As Newsweek correspondent Eleanor Clift correctly predicted in 1991, "Congress will not formally investigate charges that the Reagan campaign stole the election in 1980, in large part because Israel's supporters on Capital Hill do not want to put the spotlight on Israel's role, which during that period sold weapons to Iran in blatant disregard of President Carter."

The key figure in both cover-ups was the congressman Lee Hamilton, a friend of the pro-Israel AIPAC lobby who chaired the House Iran-Contra Committee in 1987 and the House Task Force from 1992 to 1993. The bland results of the House Task Force report were hardly surprising. Hamilton had earlier participated in a dishonest defense of the Contras against charges of drug trafficking. The chief counsel of the House Task Force was E. Lawrence Barcella, who had received $2 million in legal fees as the lead attorney for BCCI in the late 1980s. At that time, Barcella also was a law partner of Paul Laxalt, who had been chariman of the Reagan-Bush campaign in 1980. Finally, Barcella had close personal connections to Michael Ledeen, from whom he had bought a house and shared a common housekeeper.

In 2003, Hamilton would be resurrected to cochair the 9/11 Commission, investigating a third crisis that involved both right-wing Republican politicians and Muslim fundamentalists. Many people, including U.S. government officials, had alleged a number of links between BCCI investors, the Bin Laden family, and the financing of al Qaeda. For example, a French book has charged that "after dominating the financial news through the 1990s, the BCCI is now at the center of the financial network put in place by Osama bin Laden's main supporters." But in the 2004 9/11 Commission Report these allegations were completely ignored. - pages 109-110, The Road to 9/11, by Peter Dale Scott, 2007
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:22 PM
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4. I think of it the same way.
I just didn't want any OCTers accusing me of posting a push poll calling it the Zelikow Commission. I'm trying to get a well rounded response. Interesting that after 30 votes, no still has zero.
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whyzayker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:46 PM
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5. Amen!!
The Commission was established to "prove" the official version. They failed miserably but you'll get called a lot of names for pointing that out - even here.

There's a big difference between conspiracy theories and having reasonable doubt.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 07:54 AM
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44. All of the Big PNAC Plans which have been rolled out since were drawn...
Requiring the proper 'justification' to implement them. People who make such plans don't leave implementation to chance - that would defeat the purpose. However, as you point out regarding perception of the painfully obvious {propaganda and the public mind}, never underestimate the power of denial. Indeed...
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:51 PM
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6. Absolutely! n/t
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:56 PM
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7. I just don't know.
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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:56 PM
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8. Single Bullshit Theory
Gassy Hole
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:58 PM
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9. Gassy hole?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:03 PM
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20. "Single Bullshit" >>>Good one!
I like!!!
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 05:59 PM
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10. They found the "truth" they wanted to find and they stopped short
of getting to the bottom of things.

To question too much, would have endangered GW Bush's chances at being a 2-termer..

We should have seen Bush and Cheney UNDER OATH...giving testimony (separately)..

A real investigation should have started on Sept. 12, 2001, and money should ahve been no object..

The just piled up all the crumbs & coated it with fluffy frosting to make it "look good"...
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:37 AM
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38. Yeah and the Jersey Girls had to twist their arms to get them to even do that.
:puke:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:00 PM
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11. Kean telling lies for Giuliani on CNN
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:16 PM
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12. Yes, K & R, IBTM (In Before the Move). n/t
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:00 PM
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18. Good one ! The countdown begins !
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:17 PM
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13. Of course. The question is: 5% covered up or 95%?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 06:31 PM
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:05 PM
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15. At the risk of offending MIHOPers....

they may have discovered such a deep level of corruption that it was decided it would be better for the American psyche not to expose it, and launch attacks against those who ask questions.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 01:31 AM
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30. I personally thing that MIHOP is at least in part promoted by government disinformation specialists-
--in order to discredit the hundreds of legitimate questions about holes in the official theory.
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:14 AM
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37. There's a reasonable response.
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 03:15 AM by Basileus Basileon
"Some people suggest the government has orchestrated a massive conspiracy to defraud the American people. But I think that's ridiculous, since I believe the government was involved in other illegal, secretive actions. Clearly the government must have orchestrated a massive conspiracy to trick people into believing in the massive conspiracy, so as to distract from the conspiracies I believe in."
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:38 AM
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39. Yeah and those disinfo specialists like DU's September 11th forum-a LOT. nt
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:10 PM
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16. Psst, your link to your JFK poll doesn't work, just goes to the main GD page.
I'd love to vote in your other poll if you would kindly fix the link.

Btw, I voted "yes", above.

sw
(p.s. -- I'll also rec)
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:54 PM
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25. Sorry, can't edit anymore. Hope this link works.
Did the Warren Commission cover up the truth about JFK's assassination?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2325786
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 07:56 PM
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17. Related DU post re JFK and current situation
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:00 PM
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19. And taxes paid for the LIHOPers' coverup n/t
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 08:12 PM
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21. I'm surprised this hasn't ended up in the Dungeon
Because it seems even around here we MUST believe that things happened that day just as we were told, just like we MUST believe Oswald killed Kennedy.


Too many Americans have no need or want to know the real truth about anything. AS long as we just feel good and believe whatever makes us feel most comfortable, whatever perspective we have will be what reality is.

And Yes, I believe they did, for the record.



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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:22 PM
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22. Honestly, Sir
The rules concerning this are quite simple. Here they are:

Where to post various discussion topics.

Posts about so-called "conspiracy theories" are not permitted on Democratic Underground, except in the September 11 forum.

Restrictions on Linking to Other Websites

Do not quote or link to "conspiracy theory" websites, except in our September 11 forum, which is the only forum on Democratic Underground where we permit members to debate highly speculative conspiracy theories. A reasonable person should be able to identify a conspiracy theory website without much difficulty.

For purposes of enforcement, "conspiracy theory" is taken to mean such things as claims the World Trade Center buildings were destroyed by demolition charges, that no jet-liner struck the Pentagon, and similar 'highly speculative theories' concerning the events.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:53 PM
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24. "Highly Speculative" seems
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 09:53 PM by Truth2Tell
highly subjective. Like "contemporary community standards."

Sorta like Justice Thomas knows porn when he sees it. :P
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:58 PM
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26. With Peace To Ms. Hedwig, Sir, It Is What We have To Work With Nonetheless
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 09:52 PM
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23. Yes, and the truth is much worse
than most "conspiracy theorists" are ready to deal with at the moment.

Can't say I blame them, nobody loves bad news, but the sooner we face facts squarely the better all around. As Claude Raines said at the end of Casablanca, this isn't going to be pleasant for any of us.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:44 AM
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:05 PM
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27. And, again --- as in the JFK coup --- private investigators have uncovered truth of 9/11 ----
Edited on Wed Nov-21-07 10:06 PM by defendandprotect
And, of course, the Warren Commission report is also a sham ---
See Jim Garrison on this --- he's brilliant!!


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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 07:52 AM
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41. What they have mainly done is to fill in huge areas void of verified information--
--with guesstimates of what might be possible.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 02:41 AM
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43. No -- most of the names and motives were well known the first weekend ---
Remember . . .

Helen Thomas was at Murchinson's house and was aware of the "meeting" of the plotters ---
She filed a statement on that meeting and the attendees ---

John Tunnheim and the Panel/1992 JFK Assassination Classified Records Act certainly saw Oswald's
actual work records --- IRS filings, paychecks, etal ---

the press originally asked for this material and they were denied ---

and much more ---

And, again, Jim Garrison also had the full story immediately ---

No -- the only false notes have been played by the Warren Report and the cover-up ---






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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 10:26 PM
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28. link to the Warren Commission poll
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-21-07 11:30 PM
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29. I believe they did...
Too many "Unanswered Questions",
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:08 AM
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31. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:44 AM
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32. If they had wanted something like the truth, we would have had a 9/12 Grand Jury
At minimum, that panel would have returned multiple Indictments for 3,000 counts of Negligent Homicide.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-30-07 01:59 AM
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48. I would give bush a chair to sit on
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:50 AM
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33. They didn't even pretend to be searching for the truth.
Their mission from the get-go was not to get at the facts or assign blame. It was to make suggestions for ways to prevent a future attack. A total partisan hack whitewash and waste of their very limited budget.
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tailwind Donating Member (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:50 AM
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34. It's called 'Limited Hangout.'
Of course it was and it's called 'Limited Hangout'
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 02:58 AM
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35. Warren Kean Commissions
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 11:55 AM
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42. My sentiments exactly!
You're a great artist, Swamp Rat!
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Basileus Basileon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 03:12 AM
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36. Shouldn't this go in the Sept. 11 forum? (Edit: nm, I suppose it's just this side of fair)
Edited on Thu Nov-22-07 03:16 AM by Basileus Basileon
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-26-07 02:15 PM
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46. My, how magnanimous of you!
How wonderful the moderators must feel to have you as their watchdog. :sarcasm: :eyes:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 08:27 AM
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45. Most definitely.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-29-07 11:50 PM
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47. kick
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