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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:16 AM
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Parsing McClellan and Perino
He said:
"The most powerful leader in the world had called upon me to speak on his behalf and help restore credibility he lost amid the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So I stood at the White house briefing room podium in front of the glare of the klieg lights for the better part of two weeks and publicly exonerated two of the senior-most aides in the White House: Karl Rove and Scooter Libby.

"There was one problem. It was not true.

"I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice President, the President's chief of staff, and the president himself."
- Scott McClellan

She said:
White House press secretary Dana Perino said it wasn't clear what McClellan meant in the excerpt. “The president has not and would not ask his spokespeople to pass on false information,” she said.

In spite of McClellan's present backpedaling, his statement seems quite clear to me.
1. He didn't know he was putting out false info.
2. The false info was given to him by Bush, Cheney, Rove, Libby, et al.

Perino carefully waltzes around a flat denial that all the president's men lied to McClellan.
“The president has not and would not ask his spokespeople to pass on false information.”
No he didn't say "Scotty, I want you to go out there and tell this lie."
In effect be said "Here's the straight poop, Scotty. No go out there and them."
He didn't tell McClellan to lie.
He just lied to McClellan.
And ultimately to the citizens of our nation.
And he lied about a criminal act.
That sounds like conspiracy to me.
And it sounds like a 'high crime'.

If that's not solid grounds for impeachment I don't know what is.
Happy Thanksgiving.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:18 AM
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1. Can you prove Bush or Cheney knew they were lying?
Perhaps they can blame it all on the already pardoned Scooter Libby?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:46 AM
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4. If these guys lie w/o knowing it, and we know they lied, WELL that's total incompetence!!!
What a conundrum, in that for the sake of our country, I hope they knew they lied.

BUT, BUT, Officer, I did not know I was speeding..... :rofl:
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:54 AM
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9. Bush falls into the Nixon Trap.
Either he
1. KNEW what was going on and aided and abetted it, or
2. Had no clue as to what was happening in his administration.

Either one is a damned serious charge.
Cheney might possibly have acted on his own.
We already know what an arrogant power-mad despot he is.
And Bush sure as hell can't fire him.

But Rove served (still does?) strictly at the president's pleasure.
The storied 'Bush loyalty' is a one-way street.
The underlings are expected to be completely loyal, no matter what.
Bush is loyal to his toadies UNLESS they cross him.
Then it's Sayonara.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:19 AM
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2. That is of course if you believe the LIAR McClellan
He is proved a LIAR by the Libby trial. Why should anyone believe anything he says?
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:56 AM
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6. They're all LIARS
but truth will out.
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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:32 AM
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3. This is actually a very important point.
And, it is one that is quite obvious to anyone who understands just how careful the Bush Crime Family are in their public statements.

This comment is very similar to other statements made during the course of this case:

"they will not be working in my administration"
"will be taken care of"

Nowhere was it actually said so as to be meaningful in any way, as in:

"If I find out that anyone in my administration leaked the name of an undercover CIA agent, they will be fired and brought to justice".

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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 09:51 AM
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5. Exactly. Scooter was certainly "taken care of."
Quite nicely, in fact.

I'm also concerned about part of McClellan's statement which I haven't heard anyone else address; that of their embarrassment over the inability to find WMD. Sounds like more catapulting of propaganda to me, as if to help continue to inoculate Bush and Cheney from the LIE that they knew there was no WMD in the first place.

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Mr Rabble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:51 AM
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8. That is also an excellent point.
Make no mistake here-

This Simple Scotty episode is just the latest episode in a long running disinformation campaign being run by our government, against its primary enemy.
That enemy is the US population.

There is absolutely no way that any of this information was released without being carefully vetted by the Bush Crime Family. They may be vicious, callous, and insane but they are not stupid.

Here is the operative phrase from your post-
"as if to help continue to inoculate Bush and Cheney from the LIE that they knew there was no WMD in the first place."

Absolutely correct.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-22-07 10:42 AM
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7. Damn! I need a proofreader and too late to edit.
krep
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