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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:22 PM
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Secret toll of uranium weapons (Heres the Proof)
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/2/story.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10477996&ref=rss

It is 50 years since Tony Ciarfello and his friends used the yard of a depleted uranium weapons factory as their playground in Colonie, a suburb of Albany in upstate New York.

"Inside was a big open ground, and nobody would chase us away," remembers Ciarfello.

"We used to play baseball and hang by the stream running through it. We even used to fish in it - though we noticed the fish had big pink lumps on them."

Now Ciarfello has lumps on his chest - strange, round tumours that protrude 2 cm.
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The US Government and the firm that ran the factory, National Lead (NL) Industries, have for decades been assuring former workers and residents around the 7 ha site that, although it is true that the plant used to produce unacceptable levels of radioactive pollution, it was not a serious health hazard.
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Now, in a development with potentially devastating implications not only for Colonie but also for the future use of some of the West's most powerful weapon systems, that claim is being challenged. In a paper to be published in the scientific journal Science of the Total Environment, a team led by Professor Randall Parrish of Leicester University in northern England reports the results of a three-year study of Colonie, paid for by Britain's Ministry of Defence.

Parrish's team has found that depleted uranium (DU) contamination, which remains radioactive for millions of years, is, in effect, impossible to eradicate from the environment or from the bodies of humans.

Twenty-three years after production ceased, they tested the urine of five former workers. All were still contaminated with DU. So were 20 per cent of people tested, including Ciarfello, who had spent at least 10 years living near the factory when it was still working.
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There are some posters on DU saying show the Proof well in Scientific Journal Total Environment its all there

"The researchers discovered dust in and around buildings emitting up to 10 times as much. DU, inhaled in the form of tiny motes of oxide that lodge inside the lungs, emits alpha radiation, nuclei of helium. Unlike the gamma radiation produced by enriched, weapons-grade uranium, alpha particles will not penetrate the skin.

But inside the body, DU travels around the bloodstream, accumulating in the lungs and in other soft tissues such as the brain and bone marrow. There, each mote becomes an alpha particle hotspot, bombarding its locality and damaging cell DNA. Research has shown that DU has the potential to cause a wide range of cancers, kidney and thyroid problems, birth defects and disorders of the immune system.


When DU "penetrators" - armour-piercing shells that form the standard armament of some of the Wests's most commonly used military aircraft and vehicles - strike their targets, 10 per cent or more of the heavy DU metal burns at high temperatures, producing oxide particles very similar to those at Colonie."


I wonder what happens to the military when this is printed is it still status quo? Does Congress just ignore it like Agent Orange?
How many countries who have bought weapons from us have DU in them? We have spread the most toxic poison weapon in the world
It really brings home the words "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword"
Peace is our salvation
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:26 PM
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1. The Establishment doesn't care, DU is known to be bad for health on all sides.
They would still use napalm or agent orange or clusterbombs. They would use nukes if they thought the 'people' could stomach it.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:32 PM
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3. I'm shocked that the British Ministry of Defense conducted
these tests ... I wonder what they are going to do? It could be a reason why they pulled their troops out of Iraq

Brown must have known
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:35 PM
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6. The British see the writing on the wall AND live closer to the warzone
than we here in America IMO.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:37 PM
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9. Ahhh very good point
I can't believe Lebanon got bombed with it too
they are finding increased Luekemia and Diabetes in Israel children since Lebanon war

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:09 PM
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14. Napalm still in use. Cluster Bombs too.
"Napalm" has been upgraded, given a new name (Mark77), and has been used on civilian populations in Iraq. (Google: Fallujah Napalm)

"Cluster Bombs" were used commonly on civilian populations in Iraq, and by Israel in their last incursion into Lebanon a couple of years ago.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-12-10-cluster-bomb-cover_x.htm
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:52 PM
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17. I figured we were still using cluster bombs, but napalm?
Horrible.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:30 PM
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2. Can you imagine what the residents of Iraq and Kuwait are going to ....
be going through in the future?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:33 PM
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5. Saudia Arabia and Lebanon and Israel
they have all used DU too

I can't freakin imagine...
The whole Mideast is toxic DU dump
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:32 PM
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4. Depleted Uranium weapons have been established as a weapon
of mass destruction. It has also been agreed upon by the world bodies that it is an illegal weapon to use because the effects are very long term and there is no way to clean this up... But because USA is so large and influential, no one stops us from using it... It is an offense that could put you in the Hague... But again, we are the USA and no one stops us.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:35 PM
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7. But the madness is we are killing our own troops
thats madness
thats like Patton watching a Nazis tank runnover its own foot soldier

Patton said it the most valuable weapon is the foot soldier

UNFREAKING MADNESS
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:37 PM
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8. Of course. We knew this all along.
After all, one only need to look at the mountain of paperwork that goes into just machining DU. Now why would they need to be so careful?

Dr. Helen Coldicott has been lecturing for many years on this subject.

The problem is, we're out of control. The people are just little specks of dust that get in the way of the big machine. There is a scheme. A bigger plan. One that transcends happiness, health, welfare. The Bush family, the Cheneys of the world, the big corporations. Each is part of a bigger picture. One that is a monster. A big clockwork monster. And if you dissect it, you see that it all actually comes back to us. We really are in control. But we don't see it. And even if we did, we wouldn't change it. It's the same for global warming. We actually did prevent the ozone hole from killing us all. And I suppose we may pull out of the global warming situation. But the military is one that we just can't seem to break.

Even though we're all humans, we fear there isn't enough to go around. And things will only get worse, the more people there are on the planet. War only makes it worse.

DU is just part of it. But it's a very serious problem. I don't think smallpox is as dangerous. We can control that. But DU is here forever. Basically forever.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 10:42 PM
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10. Oh No the Military is already broken because of this
look at the hundred of thousand disabled vetereans of Desert Storm and now the poisoning of our own troops in Iraq plus those Iraqi troops we were going to use to defend our oil are all going to die of this poisoning

Our Army can't get recruits
we have to empty the prisons now I see why they want prisoners to go in there

All I can say for Blackwater is they got paid the most and had the least danger

Unfreakinbelievable but they too will pay in the long run

Its beaten
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-23-07 11:20 PM
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11. Interesting.
This is going to keep on poisoning forever. As long as it's in the dust, and in the air, these people will have the same diseases our soldiers have. This is horrible.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:23 AM
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12. K&R
It's a story that must be told. Billions made on war profiteering while our soldiers and veterans are denied medical treatment. Not to mention that Iraq, Lebanon, and elsewhere are poisoned forever. Cancers, Birth defects, Leukemia.

What has our country done? I'm ashamed to be an American.
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Bobbieo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:21 AM
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13. The Navajo Nation knows all about DU. They have been living with
and dying from this stuff for years, now.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:50 PM
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15. The whitewash continues...
Some of the most prominent websites still claim that depleted uranium is harmless. This from the current wikipedia site, which comes up first in Google:
Its use in ammunition is controversial because of its release into the environment.<1><2><3><4><5><6> Besides its residual radioactivity, U-238 is a heavy metal whose compounds are known from laboratory studies to be toxic to mammals in high exposures. Although the scientific data is not conclusive, the then-director of the IAEA Seibersdorf Laboratory, Pier Roberto Danesi stated in 2002 that "There is a consensus now that DU does not represent a health threat"<7>. Former NATO Secretary General Lord Robertson has stated that "the existing medical consensus is clear. The hazard from depleted uranium is both very limited, and limited to very specific circumstances"<8> A 1999 study conducted by the Rand Corporation stated: “No evidence is documented in the literature of cancer or any other negative health effect related to the radiation received from exposure to depleted or natural uranium, whether inhaled or ingested, even at very high doses”,<9> and another RAND report considered the debate to be more political than scientific. <10>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium


From the UN's World Health Organization site:
No reproductive or developmental effects have been reported in humans.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs257/en/


Many of the sites that Google hits are corporate boosters that downplay the environmental and health effects of depleted uranium. It is also a major byproduct in the creation of nuclear energy plants, and is ignored by nuclear energy proponents.

This is the way the world ends, not with a bang -- with a whimper. --T.S. Eliot


--IMM :scared:
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 08:50 PM
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16. "No reproductive effects have been reported"
Translation: the huge increases in birth defects, and cancers in children rising at epidemiological rates in Iraq must be ignored by us because we have a war to sell.

Some of the birth defects are appalling - babies that are only huge pieces of raw meat, having no skin or detectable faces.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:13 PM
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18. Depleted Uranium is well-known to the Veterans for Peace & a project undertaken by Dr Al Holtz...
...of VFP Chapter 54 has been underway for several years. The following is from their website.

Hekate

http://www.vfpsb.org/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=98&Itemid=102

Depleted Uranium Quest
Dr. Al Holtz
VETERANS EXPOSED TO DEPLETED URANIUM: CHAPTER 54 OF THE VETERANS FOR PEACE NEEDS YOU

We are offering to help represent veterans who have been exposed to depleted uranium radiation and are suffering from cancer or other side effects. Our chapter has expertise in medical, legal and administrative law.

We as a chapter of the VFP have started a program and done research to develop a brief for presentation to the VA rating board to obtain service connection disability for the affected veteran. Gulf war I and II vets are encouraged to get in touch with us for information on this project.

A. I. Holtz, MD, FAAP has had seven years experience on the rating board in the Los Angeles office.

PLEASE CONTACT US WITH ANY QUESTIONS: vfpsb@vfpsb.org

SEE ALSO THESE WEBSITES:

http://www.veteransforpeaceny.org/vfpduvets.htm
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:35 PM
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19. Depleted uranium also binds to DNA and causes mutations.
Apparently this is due to it being a heavy metal and is independent of whatever damage it causes due to radioactivity.


Uranium’s Effect On DNA Established

The use of depleted uranium in munitions and weaponry is likely to come under intense scrutiny now that new research that found that uranium can bind to human DNA. The finding will likely have far-reaching implications for returned soldiers, civilians living in what were once war-zones and people who might live near uranium mines or processing facilities.

Uranium - when manifested as a radioactive metal - has profound and debilitating effects on human DNA. These radioactive effects have been well understood for decades, but there has been considerable debate and little agreement concerning the possible health risks associated with low-grade uranium ore (yellowcake) and depleted uranium.

Now however, Northern Arizona University biochemist Diane Stearns has established that when cells are exposed to uranium, the uranium binds to DNA and the cells acquire mutations, triggering a whole slew of protein replication errors, some of which can lead to various cancers. Stearns' research, published in the journals Mutagenesis and Molecular Carcinogenesis, confirms what many have suspected for some time - that uranium can damage DNA as a heavy metal, independently of its radioactive properties. "Essentially, if you get a heavy metal stuck on DNA, you can get a mutation," Stearns explained. While other heavy metals are known to bind to DNA, Stearns and her team were the first to identify this characteristic with uranium.

Depleted uranium - what is left over when the highly radioactive isotopes of uranium are removed - is widely used by the military. Anti-tank weapons, tank armor and ammunition rounds are just some of the applications. "The health effects of uranium really haven't been studied since the Manhattan Project (the development of the atomic bomb in the early 1940s). But now there is more interest in the health effects of depleted uranium. People are asking questions now," Stearns said.

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20060307010324data_trunc_sys.shtml
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