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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:17 AM
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Beekeepers leaving the industry
Beekeepers leaving the industry, with no one to replace them

Beekeepers keep leaving the arduous business -- and our food supply could suffer as a result.

David Coggshall remembers when he was a boy hauling bee colonies from sweet clover fields in Cocoa to cucumber patches in the Everglades and back to Central Florida in time for summer orange blossoms, which flavored the honey for his father's 3-generation-old beekeeping operation.

With more than 1,000 hives, his father's production of the 1960s was more work than one man could do, so he leaned on David when he was old enough to be of use. The work was hard, long and taxing.

"Child-labor laws being what they are, I always thought I had a federal case," said Coggshall, a Clermont Middle School principal in his 60s. "That's why I didn't go into it. Beekeeping is a very physically demanding thing."

The Coggshall operation shut down in the 1970s when Millard Coggshall, who died in 2006 at age 91, no longer had the stamina for it.


Profession in decline

The scene has been repeated across the country during the past two decades as hundreds of beekeepers leave the profession, with no one replacing them.

Experts fear that could contribute to a massive drop in U.S. food production in the coming years.

Read Entire Story


Soon, America will not be able to feed herself.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:18 AM
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1. Nah
somebody will do it. It may cost more, but the field of beekeeping won't go away.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:27 AM
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4. Hope you're right. We could live without honey, but

bees are important pollinators for crops. And we'd miss the honey and beeswax candles, too.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:34 AM
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19. "bees are important pollinators for crops" = "Understatement of the Year"!
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:46 AM
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20. If the bees are gone, how can anyone keep them? n/t
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:23 AM
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2. There's a documentary coming out on this topic
This is really a huge deal.

http://www.vanishingbees.com/

Watch the trailer.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:26 AM
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3. No
this story isn't about CCD. It's about the difficulty of the profession of beekeeping, and how many beekeepers are getting out of the business.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:40 AM
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7. And one reason would be CCD
Did you watch the trailer?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:43 AM
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8. Did you read the article?
It's about long-time beekeepers getting out of the business because it's so arduous. CCD is mentioned along with "other problems" facing the bee industry, but this article isn't about that.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:44 AM
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9. Yes I read the article
but thanks for the summary. :)
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:45 AM
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10. shrug
whatever.

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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:28 AM
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5. Does the government pay beekeepers through any subsidies?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:42 AM
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31. Let's recognize there're industrial beekeepers and small business beekeepers.
Edited on Sun Nov-25-07 11:47 AM by cryingshame
Your comment seemed a good place to tack that observation. Hope you don't mind.

I know several beekeepers who have hives in their backyards and sell honey in tables in front of their homes.

Maybe the issue is partly, beekeeping needs to be done locally. By local beekeepers.

Maybe the issue also extends to the need to grow crops locally as well.

Now why farmers raising crops can't also have a beekeeping operation is beyond me.

Of course that would require respoinsible farming. Where farmers grow more than one crop and rotate through fields. So soil doesn't get depleted and bees have various crops throughout season to pollinate.

If the Govt. is going to subsidize beekeeping, I'd be happier if it were the small-time businesses.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:39 AM
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6. If I had an orchard, couldn't I just buy some bees myself and let
them live there?
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:59 AM
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13. You have to maintain the hives to keep the bees
That's why they call it beekeeping.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:03 AM
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14. What did they do before humans decided to 'keep' them? Is it just a matter of making sure they're
in desirable locales?
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:30 AM
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18. I didn't write that you have to maintain them for the bees to
survive- I wrote that if you want to keep them. When the fruit trees finish blooming the bees are going to look for better pastures- that's one reason why this relationship works so well with the orchard and farmers. The beekeepers truck the hives in and move them around which keeps the bees busy - crops fruit heavier and the farmer pays the beekeepers.

Left to themselves the bees will swarm and rob other hives - it's not very efficient.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:29 AM
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17. yes but I'm sure we have wild bees here that don't live in apiaries
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 12:39 PM
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21. Yes but you can't move wild bees in great numbers to the fields
where needed for pollination. And once those crops have fruited there is not enough food to support them if there were. Beekeeping is not a passive art. Even beekeepers that don't move their hives for hire have to feed the hives prior to the big blooms so that the hive is at high strength for the bloom. That way they gather the most nectar and pollen so that there is a surplus for the keeper to harvest.

What you want is a simple answer and nature and its balance is anything but.

BTW the honey bee along with most of our crops and food animals are not native to the Americas.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:13 AM
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15. I searched and found beekeeping 101. Hope it helps.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:59 PM
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25. Short answer yes, long answer "well..."
Bees don't normally stick with a hive forever. My granddad did this with his grapes and berries but he had to re-queen every 5 or 6 years because they would swarm away. Lots of farmers figured it was easier just to pay some guy to do it.

So, yes, you could, but it increases the amount of work you have to do, and given the low price point orchards are operating at, that may or may not be feasible.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:49 AM
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11. the "great sucking sound of bees leaving Florida."
I like that line.

Yep, another serious problem on our hands that I'm sure the corporate ruling class will use to seize even more control over our food production and line their gold-laden pockets. It's not going to be just "colony collapse"...there will be a collapse of the empires because their greed is endless, as is their total disregard of everyone and everything. It is definitely a form of insanity. It's the same types that have risen to power and destroyed other civilizations throughout history. Their insanity compels them to seize power and destroy.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 10:51 AM
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12. It's all because of the Bee Movie.
That class-action suit against the honey industry really messed things up!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 11:22 AM
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16. Damn you, Jerry Seinfeld!
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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 01:58 PM
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22. How will we keep the beekeepers?
Do we need beekeeper keepers?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:44 PM
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23. And the oddest thing is, that we don't have the same problems in
Central Florida regarding bee depopulations. As long as they have a habitat for them to breed, there will be bees.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:02 PM
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26. You can make "lambic" fruit, as it were...
and just trust on natural pollinators (remember, people were growing fruit in north america long before there were bees here). The problem is that takes a lot of the predictability out of your pollination and so out of your next harvest.

It was once a given that farming was an unpredictable profession; unfortunately 100 years have passed since William Jennings Bryant was reminding us all of that and how we need to give farmers more financial leeway (and no, subsidies to Monstanto don't count...)
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 02:50 PM
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24. Link to 60 Minutes story on this subject
(CBS) If you want to grow fruits, vegetables or nuts in the United States on a commercial basis you have to have soil, sun, seeds, water, and honeybees -- millions and millions of honeybees brought in from all over the country to pollinate the crops. As correspondent Steve Kroft explains, honeybees are the unsung heroes of the food chain, crucial to the production of one third of the foods we eat. So when billions of bees began to mysteriously disappear last year, there was plenty of concern and no shortage of theories, blaming everything from cell phones to divine rapture. None of the usual explanations seemed to fit. Some of the nation's top scientists are trying to understand this phenomenon, but no one is more immersed in the mystery than the man who is widely credited with discovering it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/10/25/60minutes/main3407762.shtml
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:17 PM
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27. I think the Egyptians understand how important Bees are
they were revered and this says it all for its on one of their temples



Life and pollination are linked

US government should be doing SOMETHING

I talked to one beekeeper a hobbyist and his bee hives are ok and he has been trying different methods

If a congressman or woman is reading this
They need to have a Beekeeper symposium and give them tax write offs for coming and listen to their concerns

cause if we don't we are going to regret it

Honey was a gift from the gods and I think the ancient people understood so much more than we do
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:18 PM
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28. They can donate their used bee keeper outfits to afghan women
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-24-07 03:33 PM
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29. OTOH, non-commercial beekeeping on the rise.
Interest in small scale BeeKeeping is on the rise in our area.
We started two colonies last Spring as an adjunct to our Organic Garden, and have met several others who are either planning colonies in the immediate future, or have started 1st Time colonies this year. Both of our colonies are doing well.


Last week, a class in BeeKeeping by the state "Bee Inspector" was offfered in the samll town closest to our rural home. The place was standing room only. The "state Bee Inspector" said that there were twice the expected number of attendees. Almost all were non-commercial small scale Mom & Pop beekeepers or "wannabees".



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=280x34941



So far, our bees have been fun and endlessly fascinating.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:50 AM
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32. See, that makes most sense to me. Get local beekeepers interested. Perhaps have them
join forces with local agriculturists.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:26 AM
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30. Monsanto and ADM will save us.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-25-07 11:53 AM
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33. There's no money in it. Give it to Sue Bee Inc.
:*

"America can't feed herself". Well, guess what? America can't make shit for itself, program, or anything else for itself.

How many Americans truly "chose" this outcome? Since when did Americans prefer "low cost"? Who told us it was preferable?

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